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Complex systems, wicked problems. Society, technology, science and more. @UNC professor. @NYTimes columnist. My newsletter is @insight: http://www.theinsight.org 

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    1. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 8 Apr 2020
      Replying to @jon_y_huang @adamcchang and

      It's failed in that it's not enough. Otherwise, yes it's incredible and enormous amount of work. But I think Taiwan shows the clear path, you need tracing and testing and masks. Taiwan even has schools open since February, five deaths.

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    2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 8 Apr 2020
      Replying to @zeynep @jon_y_huang and

      I didn't mean to imply it was nothing, at all, sorry if it came that way. It can only scale so much and for so long when you have something like this circulating... Just emphasizing we need everything to get R0 under 1. Trace/test/isolate/mask etc.

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    3. Jon Huang, MPH, PhD | BLM |  🙏🏽‏ @jon_y_huang 8 Apr 2020
      Replying to @zeynep @adamcchang and

      I think we downplay Taiwan's extremely rapid shutdown of borders and mandatory 14 day quarantine of all travellers. They did a phenomenal job, masks are not the only differentiator.

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    4. Jon Huang, MPH, PhD | BLM |  🙏🏽‏ @jon_y_huang 8 Apr 2020
      Replying to @jon_y_huang @zeynep and

      Adam and I have already sparred over masks, so I won't spend much time here. But it remains to be seen how effective they are in tropical settings with temps constantly ~32 C. Sweaty masks and increased respiratory strain are not conducive.

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    5. Jon Huang, MPH, PhD | BLM |  🙏🏽‏ @jon_y_huang 8 Apr 2020
      Replying to @jon_y_huang @zeynep and

      I will say I really hope masks are it, but I fear it's a bit of target fixation. There are varying degrees of timing and efficacy of test, trace, isolate that are being painted with broad strokes. (Though not by you, I love your coverage so far!)

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    6. Jon Huang, MPH, PhD | BLM |  🙏🏽‏ @jon_y_huang 8 Apr 2020
      Replying to @jon_y_huang @zeynep and

      One thing that hasn't had as much attention and tough to parse is the effect of rush of travellers avoiding bans, mandatory quarantine, etc. We saw it acutely in the US and elsewhere. How did this "bolus challenge" shift trends?

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    7. Risk Designer‏ @riskdesigner 8 Apr 2020
      Replying to @jon_y_huang @zeynep and

      Understand this: nobody is saying masks are the only differentiator. The graphic wanted to change US policy which specifically used to say that masks don’t work, which every civilized Asian country knows is false. Nobody has to convince anyone about efficacy of contract tracing

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    8. Jon Huang, MPH, PhD | BLM |  🙏🏽‏ @jon_y_huang 8 Apr 2020
      Replying to @riskdesigner @JPerla and

      I don't want to be glib about this, but your banner suggests you feel otherwise. No one has ever said masks don't work. They said improper wearing may cause harm. Perhaps none of the tropical Asian countries have mask culture for a reason?pic.twitter.com/dZlx7L0vEO

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    9. Adam Claridge-Chang‏ @adamcchang 8 Apr 2020
      Replying to @jon_y_huang @JPerla and

      Jon, do you have a reference for the claim that improper wearing causes harm? I've seen many make that claim, but yet to see any evidence.

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    10. Jon Huang, MPH, PhD | BLM |  🙏🏽‏ @jon_y_huang 8 Apr 2020
      Replying to @adamcchang @JPerla and

      The main routes I would consider are self contamination https://bmcinfectdis.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12879-019-4109-x … and increased respiratory rate (cite to come)

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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 8 Apr 2020
      Replying to @jon_y_huang @adamcchang and

      I agree there are real issues for self-contamination for health-care workers (around infected patients with high-viral doses all day...). We had doffing infection in SARS, too. Haven't seen a good general public imperfect mask wearing versus no masks study. Wish we had one.

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        1. Risk Designer‏ @riskdesigner 8 Apr 2020
          Replying to @zeynep @jon_y_huang and

          If they did a study they would find that they still work. So they wouldn’t want to lose that talking point. So they won’t.

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        2. Jon Huang, MPH, PhD | BLM |  🙏🏽‏ @jon_y_huang 8 Apr 2020
          Replying to @zeynep @adamcchang and

          As a former firefighter / paramedic I have worn from SCBAs to masks to N95. Preventing contact and proper wear is not trivial even with training

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        3. Jon Huang, MPH, PhD | BLM |  🙏🏽‏ @jon_y_huang 8 Apr 2020
          Replying to @jon_y_huang @zeynep and

          Adam has actually linked to the definitive (so far) Cochrane review and meta analysis. There is one cluster RCT in a dorm. It shows...at least they aren't harmful wrt ILI.

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        1. Adam Claridge-Chang‏ @adamcchang 8 Apr 2020
          Replying to @zeynep @jon_y_huang and

          This one gets pretty close. Surgical masks versus nothing. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21735402  The BMC paper implies that masks work—by capturing pathogens on the outside of the mask (instead of in someone's respiratory system).

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