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Complex systems, wicked problems. Society, technology, science and more. @UNC professor. @NYTimes columnist. My newsletter is @insight: http://www.theinsight.org 

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    1. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 7 Apr 2020

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted Tara Haelle

      How "false security" or "risk-compensation" don't work. This picture is evidence FOR MASKS. That trooper would almost certainly be doing the same thing without a mask—if facts and science hadn't won this argument.😀Risk-compensation is not a common thing at all! Needs evidence.https://twitter.com/tarahaelle/status/1247371868656603136 …

      zeynep tufekci added,

      Tara HaelleVerified account @tarahaelle
      Prime example of false security of a mask. This TX state trooper might have an N95—can’t tell—so nose & mouth maybe protected. But his eyes aren’t & gloved hand on his leg is problem. He shld NOT be that close to driver. We have more evidence for #socialdistancing than #Masks4All pic.twitter.com/MdOLmkxG2c
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    2. Kirti Patel, MD‏ @kirtipatelmd 8 Apr 2020
      Replying to @zeynep

      He has an essential job. Unlike these folks.pic.twitter.com/G9YE2dUWKG

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    3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 8 Apr 2020
      Replying to @kirtipatelmd

      I wish more people stayed home but glad that some are at least wearing masks. Social science of "false security" is pretty clear. It sounds clever but it doesn't pan out and gets dwarfed by first order effect. If you remove safety devices like masks people go out.. without masks.

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    4. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 8 Apr 2020
      Replying to @zeynep @kirtipatelmd

      The people will do more risky things then due to false sense of security argument has been applied to everything from HIV prevention measures to helmets to seat-belts to basically every safety device, also against health insurance (moral hazard). Numbers never bear it out.

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    5. Kirti Patel, MD‏ @kirtipatelmd 8 Apr 2020
      Replying to @zeynep

      Do you have any evidence with regards to masks? The thing about helmets, seat belts, and condoms is that they work a hell of a lot better than masks. So you can't make a straight comparison.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    6. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 8 Apr 2020
      Replying to @kirtipatelmd

      Of course. Hong Kong/Taiwan/S.Korea (with some of world's best health authorities) have been very clear on how important masks are to reduce asymptomatic/asymptomatic transmission. There are no known/shown risks and really no plausible ones. (Review article is coming out soon.)

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    7. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 8 Apr 2020
      Replying to @zeynep @kirtipatelmd

      (HK also has cut down flu drastically!) Also, interesting case is Japan which is screwing up everything but masks (no tracing, no isolation, everything is open, terrible!) but has widespread mask wearing. They will get hit, but it's been way way slower. They aren't NYC/Lombardy.

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    8. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 8 Apr 2020
      Replying to @zeynep @kirtipatelmd

      This has some older papers including a lot on cloth masks. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1HLrm0pqBN_5bdyysOeoOBX4pt4oFDBhsC_jpblXpNtQ/edit#heading=h.9yzpxufkt5ow … Basically, it's a good source control mechanism, plus it gives sick people cover to wear one. (No way can only the sick/symptomatic wear it—too much stigma).

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    9. Kirti Patel, MD‏ @kirtipatelmd 8 Apr 2020
      Replying to @zeynep

      Kirti Patel, MD Retweeted Mike Simonsen  🐉

      Signapore and Japan are reisolating. Hong Kong is havi g a second surge. The thing that works is isolation, testing, tracing. It's not the masks.https://twitter.com/mikesimonsen/status/1246313256148275200?s=19 …

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      Mike Simonsen  🐉 @mikesimonsen
      Singapore and Japan re-isolating. It’s gonna be a long year. pic.twitter.com/sbWo8vcre8
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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 8 Apr 2020
      Replying to @kirtipatelmd

      Japan never isolated. Hong Kong is of course having a second wave. Do they look like Lombardy or NYC to you? It's pretty clear from literature, from what we know of this disease, from their numbers. Anyway, even CDC and WHO have accepted the validity of this argument. Cheers!

      7:06 AM - 8 Apr 2020
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        1. Kirti Patel, MD‏ @kirtipatelmd 8 Apr 2020
          Replying to @zeynep

          Again, it's the testing, tracing, and isolation that Asian countries have done in a much better way than Lombardy or NYC. It wasn't the masks.

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