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    1. Ken Milne MD‏ @TheSGEM 7 Apr 2020
      Replying to @Dandilion_wyne @MaryFernando_ and

      Thank you. Please pick the best citation to support the specific claim that masks worn by asymptomatic people in public can prevent transmission of clinical disease of #covid19.

      2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
    2. Mary Fernando MD‏ @MaryFernando_ 7 Apr 2020
      Replying to @TheSGEM @Dandilion_wyne and

      Please add a citation that proves masks don’t curb the spread of #COVID19

      2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    3. Tara Haelle‏Verified account @tarahaelle 7 Apr 2020
      Replying to @MaryFernando_ @TheSGEM and

      You can’t prove a negative. The burden of proof goes in the other direction. And no one is trying to prove they *don’t* work. It’s that we need proof that their benefit exceeds their risks.

      4 replies 0 retweets 6 likes
    4. exemplary non-bot‏ @BotExemplary 7 Apr 2020
      Replying to @tarahaelle @MaryFernando_ and

      Evidence of their risks are non-existent. Stop doubling down and face the reality that you were totally wrong. Own your mistakes.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    5. Ken Milne MD‏ @TheSGEM 7 Apr 2020
      Replying to @BotExemplary @tarahaelle and

      “Totally wrong” is a very strong position to take. Most of my positions are tentative and subject to change. Do you understand the scientific method of starting with a null hypothesis? If yes, state your hypothesis please.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    6. exemplary non-bot‏ @BotExemplary 7 Apr 2020
      Replying to @TheSGEM @tarahaelle and

      I don’t have time for your scientism

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    7. Ken Milne MD‏ @TheSGEM 7 Apr 2020
      Replying to @BotExemplary @tarahaelle and

      That’s fine. Thanks engaging. There is no obligation to continue the conversation. This is a time of heightened anxiety. We should use evidence not emotion to guide policy. A goal of mine is to improve ppls critical thinking skills to make rationale decisions #staysafe

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    8. exemplary non-bot‏ @BotExemplary 7 Apr 2020
      Replying to @TheSGEM @tarahaelle and

      In survival situations it’s only rational to err on the side of precaution. Waiting for data can be like getting in to a car crash and trying to fashion the seatbelt. You don’t need data (though it is available http://masks4all.co ). You just need to know if someone sneezed ..

      2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    9. Ken Milne MD‏ @TheSGEM 7 Apr 2020
      Replying to @BotExemplary @tarahaelle and

      Disagree. Treatments have potential benefits & harms. The Cognitive bias is to over emphasize benefit and minimize harms. The data does not provide a clear answer (agree?). You are presupposing benefit while I’m saying I don’t know. #humility

      3 replies 1 retweet 3 likes
    10. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 7 Apr 2020
      Replying to @TheSGEM @BotExemplary and

      Preponderance of evidence of benefit (stopping asymptomatic/presymptomatic spread) plus removing stigma thus allowing sick people to wear, plus alleged risks are all either speculative or unlikely (false security, almost never supported in lit). Yep, contrarianism for no reason.

      2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 7 Apr 2020
      Replying to @zeynep @TheSGEM and

      Humility is good, being contrarian for no reason is not. Preponderance of evidence is so strong that even CDC/WHO that almost never shift like this have. But let me not interrupt the hashtag. #humility

      2:58 PM - 7 Apr 2020
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        2. Ken Milne MD‏ @TheSGEM 7 Apr 2020
          Replying to @zeynep @BotExemplary and

          I’m not being contrarian? The scientific method starts with a null hypothesis. Those claiming net benefit of mask wearing by asymptomatic ppl in public to prevent clinical disease have to demonstrate their claim with evidence. That burden hasn’t been met and I accept the null

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        3. Ken Milne MD‏ @TheSGEM 7 Apr 2020
          Replying to @TheSGEM @zeynep and

          Even if I was providing a contrarian position I have good reason. I want people to get the best advice, based on the best evidence. Two reasonable people can look at the same data and come to different conclusions (agree?)

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