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Complex systems, wicked problems. Society, technology, science and more. @UNC professor. @NYTimes columnist. My newsletter is @insight: http://www.theinsight.org 

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    1. Tara Haelle‏Verified account @tarahaelle 6 Apr 2020

      Prime example of false security of a mask. This TX state trooper might have an N95—can’t tell—so nose & mouth maybe protected. But his eyes aren’t & gloved hand on his leg is problem. He shld NOT be that close to driver. We have more evidence for #socialdistancing than #Masks4Allpic.twitter.com/MdOLmkxG2c

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    2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 7 Apr 2020
      Replying to @tarahaelle

      On the contrary, that picture is a strong argument *for* how important masks are because he would be doing the same thing without a mask if we hadn't managed to win this argument with facts and science! You've been failing to understand how risk-compensation does & doesn't work.

      2 replies 7 retweets 111 likes
    3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 7 Apr 2020
      Replying to @zeynep @tarahaelle

      There are things to understand better about masks, but it's almost amusing to see people cling to the most speculative things with no evidence. There is nothing wrong with being wrong; health authorities were wrong. But it's human nature to not let go for a while, I guess.

      3 replies 2 retweets 42 likes
    4. Tara Haelle‏Verified account @tarahaelle 7 Apr 2020
      Replying to @zeynep

      Not sure if you’re speaking specifically about me not being able to “be wrong,” but anyone who’s followed me can tell you I *always* make it clear when I’m wrong & I correct. I have no prob w being wrong. I have a prob w overstating evidence & oversimplifying complex issues.

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    5. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 7 Apr 2020
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      False security argument in this context isn't adding complexity because it has no evidence, and if anything, the signaling power of masks in a pandemic for more alert behavior has more face-value validity from similar events. So it's wrong. "Complexity" needs to be appropriate.

      3 replies 1 retweet 21 likes
    6. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 7 Apr 2020
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      I mean, I'm an academic, I can add faux complexity to anything. But I prefer to make things as complex as the evidence allows. We don't have evidence for risks; we don't have reason to suspect or evidence for risk-compensation or false security. Anyway, even CDC and WHO conceded!

      2 replies 2 retweets 18 likes
    7. Tara Haelle‏Verified account @tarahaelle 7 Apr 2020
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      My goal isn’t to be “against” you. We’re on the same side of wanting to rescue COVID cases and get the pandemic under control.

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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 7 Apr 2020
      Replying to @tarahaelle

      I'm not against anyone! I want risk-compensation and false-security to be taken seriously. They are common arguments against almost all safety measures, and very very rarely with any evidence in their support at the community level.

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        2. Jason Gantenberg‏ @EvilMammoth 7 Apr 2020
          Replying to @zeynep @tarahaelle

          Isn't the real issue the uncertainty in the trade-off? I'm not convinced we can shrug off the possibility of a false-security effect given the number of prevention measures we're asking people to take all at once, even if there's no direct evidence of risk compensation.

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        3. Jason Gantenberg‏ @EvilMammoth 7 Apr 2020
          Replying to @EvilMammoth @zeynep @tarahaelle

          At the population-level, masks may be useful in this case because they would protect against asymptomatic transmission on a large scale. I suspect many who wear masks believe they're getting the protection, though, rather than protecting others.

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