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    1. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 5 Apr 2020

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      Congregation and playdates: we have to convince people! Driving those indoors makes infections spread more, and we will all be locked down longer. I DO wish they didn't but we can only convince, not hide it from our view. Enforce distance/masks outdoors. https://twitter.com/LuciaParamita/status/1246788368853159936 …

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    2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 5 Apr 2020

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      Of course. Indoors is very conducive to infections spreading. We must provide least risk places for people to get fresh air. Us not seeing them congregate doesn't mean they won't just do it indoors. We need cooperation, not feel-good top-down authority. https://twitter.com/RealDemVoter1/status/1246789342795890688 …

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    3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 5 Apr 2020

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      Yeah, the pictures I saw were perfectly fine distancing, mostly small family groups. If that's what they shut down, they just made sure infections will go up as there will be less immunity without sun and outdoors and groups gathering indoors.https://twitter.com/KatyKiernan/status/1246790150061019136 …

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      Thing is, all the news stories have photos supposedly illustrating the problem, but actually showing most people distancing quite well. There are some groups, but they mostly seem to be family groups who are probably living together.
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    4. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 5 Apr 2020

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted Darren Sugg

      Find the part I said anything wrong about the infectiousness part. (It's all correct and very very basic). But, it's the sociology of the situation I'm talking about. Authorities are going to drive groups indoors—out-of-sight but more prone to infections.https://twitter.com/DarrenSugg1/status/1246792209233518592 …

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      And your expertise in epidemiology and infectious disease control is what, exactly?
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    5. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 5 Apr 2020

      Okay, let's try this: You know what happened when people who don't understand people put everyone in open offices thinking it would encourage interaction? Everyone put headphones on and there was *less* interaction. You gotta understand people and you gotta understand infections.

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    6. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 5 Apr 2020

      Okay, apparently lots of people don't know this but... yes: viruses (like many other microorganisms) don't survive as well under the sun compared to less/no sun. We're not talking about UV-C (medical sterilization equipment). For a group, outside is much less risk than indoors.

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    7. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 5 Apr 2020

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted Dewey

      That's not how people work. WE HAVE TO CONVINCE THEM. Plus, we may be in this for a year. That means we need to consider mental health and immunity. If we close all parks rather than have sane rules, they will gather in cramped petri-dishes aka apartments.https://twitter.com/DeweyTheGooner/status/1246796940458823681 …

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      If two groups from sperate households meet up outside and get told to go home they will go back to their separate households. Not all go indoors together. You might be trying to help with mental health but all you're doing is giving fuel to people who want to do the wrong thing
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    8. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 5 Apr 2020

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      Yes, if this pic is real, this is nuts. Look, there are many studies of disaster response where the people are doing things fairly sanely until authorities come down with top-down, overzealous rules and then things get out of hand, and become much worse. https://twitter.com/MuftiOfMunchies/status/1246799075560894464 …

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    9. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 5 Apr 2020

      I want people to distance. I want them to not gather in groups. I want to find ways to encourage both as much as possible within a sane set of rules and recommendations with which we will have maximal cooperation. Driving groups underground into petri-dishes indoors isn't it.

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    10. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 5 Apr 2020

      A 2009 paper on how to get ready for the next pandemic. Yes to distancing, absolutely no to preventing access to outdoors. "..introducing high levels of natural ventilation or, indeed, by encouraging the public to spend as much time outdoors as possible." https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4504358/ …pic.twitter.com/2cG8zKlSqB

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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 5 Apr 2020

      "Close all the parks" is the new "masks may be more harmful". 🙄 Make it possible to distance outdoors, not trap people indoors. In a few years, academics will be publishing studies on how the locales with sane access to outdoors did so much better. Don't be the comparison case.

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        1. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 5 Apr 2020

          Okey dokey, I'll write this out long-form. A lot of "do something" impulse is being channeled towards unscientific scolding that will backfire and/or make things worse. And amazed how many people seem incredulous that ventilation/sun/outdoors are important in infection control.

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        1. Aaron "Get a Vaccine" Huslage‏ @huslage 5 Apr 2020
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          There is a tendency to close anywhere where people congregate in any numbers as opposed to just having someone out there to tell people to distance from one another...which is a simple solution.

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        1. Martha Bridegam‏ @MBridegam 5 Apr 2020
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          And let people camp in the parks if they don't have anywhere better to stay.

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        1. Thomas Paine  ✊‏ @TomPaineToday 5 Apr 2020
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          https://medium.com/@ra.hobday/coronavirus-and-the-sun-a-lesson-from-the-1918-influenza-pandemic-509151dc8065 …

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        1. Emily Campbell‏ @elou 5 Apr 2020
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          yes 👍*AND* differentiate between recreating in your own back yard and traveling for it. So many rural recreational communities (like mine) lack critical health infrastructure. Each camper/hiker brings risk that could overwhelm our local system

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        1. Brian Bohman‏ @bjbohman 5 Apr 2020
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          Great job being done now on expanding park areas and space for #SocialDistancing by shutting down adjacent streets to keep parks safe and open by @MplsParkBoard @CityMinneapolishttps://m.startribune.com/leaders-plead-for-social-distancing-in-minneapolis-parks-even-through-summer/569283192/ …

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