This won't be just two weeks. Maybe we should start having that conversation honestly, too. If authorities are telling you in your country that we're indoors for two weeks and that's it, they are not telling you the truth. We may have a year ahead.https://twitter.com/mskathleenquinn/status/1246786836833472512 …
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zeynep tufekci Retweeted Pinboard
Yes! Overzealous, unscientific and unsustainable rules will make cooperation less likely. Less sun and outdoors will make people's immune systems weaker. It's much harder for viruses to infect people in sunny, outdoor places compared to cramped indoors.https://twitter.com/Pinboard/status/1246788025515794435 …
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Congregation and playdates: we have to convince people! Driving those indoors makes infections spread more, and we will all be locked down longer. I DO wish they didn't but we can only convince, not hide it from our view. Enforce distance/masks outdoors. https://twitter.com/LuciaParamita/status/1246788368853159936 …
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Of course. Indoors is very conducive to infections spreading. We must provide least risk places for people to get fresh air. Us not seeing them congregate doesn't mean they won't just do it indoors. We need cooperation, not feel-good top-down authority. https://twitter.com/RealDemVoter1/status/1246789342795890688 …
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Yeah, the pictures I saw were perfectly fine distancing, mostly small family groups. If that's what they shut down, they just made sure infections will go up as there will be less immunity without sun and outdoors and groups gathering indoors.https://twitter.com/KatyKiernan/status/1246790150061019136 …
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zeynep tufekci Retweeted Darren Sugg
Find the part I said anything wrong about the infectiousness part. (It's all correct and very very basic). But, it's the sociology of the situation I'm talking about. Authorities are going to drive groups indoors—out-of-sight but more prone to infections.https://twitter.com/DarrenSugg1/status/1246792209233518592 …
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Okay, let's try this: You know what happened when people who don't understand people put everyone in open offices thinking it would encourage interaction? Everyone put headphones on and there was *less* interaction. You gotta understand people and you gotta understand infections.
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Okay, apparently lots of people don't know this but... yes: viruses (like many other microorganisms) don't survive as well under the sun compared to less/no sun. We're not talking about UV-C (medical sterilization equipment). For a group, outside is much less risk than indoors.
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zeynep tufekci Retweeted Dewey
That's not how people work. WE HAVE TO CONVINCE THEM. Plus, we may be in this for a year. That means we need to consider mental health and immunity. If we close all parks rather than have sane rules, they will gather in cramped petri-dishes aka apartments.https://twitter.com/DeweyTheGooner/status/1246796940458823681 …
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Dewey @DeweyTheGoonerReplying to @DeweyTheGooner @zeynepIf two groups from sperate households meet up outside and get told to go home they will go back to their separate households. Not all go indoors together. You might be trying to help with mental health but all you're doing is giving fuel to people who want to do the wrong thing4 replies 11 retweets 85 likesShow this thread -
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Yes, if this pic is real, this is nuts. Look, there are many studies of disaster response where the people are doing things fairly sanely until authorities come down with top-down, overzealous rules and then things get out of hand, and become much worse. https://twitter.com/MuftiOfMunchies/status/1246799075560894464 …
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This! Not the first time we're encountering something that requires convincing and community compliance. Plus outdoors/sun and infectious diseases is not some controversial, secret knowledge. Let's not set ourselves up for failure. *cries into the void*https://twitter.com/apolaine/status/1246802680934289408 …
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I agree with you. Be sensible. Irrationality on both extremes is unhelpful
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(With apologies if you've thoroughly covered this already) Large gatherings are being rescheduled for the fall (flu season), but I'm not seeing articulations of why we think that seems like a good idea. Do we all expect to be immune, or vaccinated- or even tested- by that time?
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