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    1. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 5 Apr 2020

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted Lambeth Council

      I don't know how crowded the park was (the replies object) but unless it was like a concert, closing parks is a terrible idea. People need outdoors for immunity and health, sunlight and ventilation make infection much less likely. Better to have sane distancing rules in the park.https://twitter.com/lambeth_council/status/1246497734741364742 …

      zeynep tufekci added,

      Lambeth CouncilVerified account @lambeth_council
      Despite clear advice, over 3000 people spent today in Brockwell Park, many of them sunbathing or in large groups. This is unacceptable. Unfortunately, the actions of a minority now means that, following police advice, Brockwell Park will be closed tomorrow. #StayHome
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    2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 5 Apr 2020

      If people came in a group.. Well, chase them off the park, they will be that group in a small apartment, less ventilation and less sunlight to kill the virus. Now everyone is worse off. We cannot enforce distancing for weeks without outlets. Outdoors is better than crammed flats.

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    3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 5 Apr 2020

      Without outdoors, people's immunity will decline. Mental health is already a challenge, it will get worse. Plus, if people are in groups outdoors, that group will go back together to a cramped indoor place—so much worse for infection! Much better to enforce sane distancing/masks.

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    4. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 5 Apr 2020

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted

      Cramming them indoors isn't better. We need people's cooperation. Authorities should consult with experts who understand how people work and the role of sunshine and ventilation in viral infection spread. Leaving people with no options makes things worse. https://twitter.com/FierceRobert/status/1246784829397426178 …

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    5. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 5 Apr 2020

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted mskathleenquinn

      This won't be just two weeks. Maybe we should start having that conversation honestly, too. If authorities are telling you in your country that we're indoors for two weeks and that's it, they are not telling you the truth. We may have a year ahead.https://twitter.com/mskathleenquinn/status/1246786836833472512 …

      zeynep tufekci added,

      mskathleenquinn @mskathleenquinn
      Replying to @mskathleenquinn @Pinboard @zeynep
      2/with staying at home. People are also needlessly risking lives of police, plainly must patrol because too many want to cut slack for themselves. It is 2 weeks that you need to stay at home to save your hospitals. Is that REALLY such a hardship to complain about?
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    6. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 5 Apr 2020

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted Pinboard

      Yes! Overzealous, unscientific and unsustainable rules will make cooperation less likely. Less sun and outdoors will make people's immune systems weaker. It's much harder for viruses to infect people in sunny, outdoor places compared to cramped indoors.https://twitter.com/Pinboard/status/1246788025515794435 …

      zeynep tufekci added,

      Pinboard @Pinboard
      Replying to @zeynep
      The part I'm especially worried about is when daily infection and death rates are rapidly declining, but people will still be asked to maintain strict social distancing measures (in early summer!). It will take a lot of trust and goodwill to make that happen
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    7. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 5 Apr 2020

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted

      Congregation and playdates: we have to convince people! Driving those indoors makes infections spread more, and we will all be locked down longer. I DO wish they didn't but we can only convince, not hide it from our view. Enforce distance/masks outdoors. https://twitter.com/LuciaParamita/status/1246788368853159936 …

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    8. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 5 Apr 2020

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted

      Of course. Indoors is very conducive to infections spreading. We must provide least risk places for people to get fresh air. Us not seeing them congregate doesn't mean they won't just do it indoors. We need cooperation, not feel-good top-down authority. https://twitter.com/RealDemVoter1/status/1246789342795890688 …

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    9. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 5 Apr 2020

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted the other mother

      Yeah, the pictures I saw were perfectly fine distancing, mostly small family groups. If that's what they shut down, they just made sure infections will go up as there will be less immunity without sun and outdoors and groups gathering indoors.https://twitter.com/KatyKiernan/status/1246790150061019136 …

      zeynep tufekci added,

      the other mother @KatyKiernan
      Replying to @FierceRobert @zeynep
      Thing is, all the news stories have photos supposedly illustrating the problem, but actually showing most people distancing quite well. There are some groups, but they mostly seem to be family groups who are probably living together.
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    10. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 5 Apr 2020

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted Darren Sugg

      Find the part I said anything wrong about the infectiousness part. (It's all correct and very very basic). But, it's the sociology of the situation I'm talking about. Authorities are going to drive groups indoors—out-of-sight but more prone to infections.https://twitter.com/DarrenSugg1/status/1246792209233518592 …

      zeynep tufekci added,

      Darren Sugg @DarrenSugg1
      Replying to @zeynep @davidallengreen
      And your expertise in epidemiology and infectious disease control is what, exactly?
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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 5 Apr 2020

      Okay, let's try this: You know what happened when people who don't understand people put everyone in open offices thinking it would encourage interaction? Everyone put headphones on and there was *less* interaction. You gotta understand people and you gotta understand infections.

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        2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 5 Apr 2020

          Okay, apparently lots of people don't know this but... yes: viruses (like many other microorganisms) don't survive as well under the sun compared to less/no sun. We're not talking about UV-C (medical sterilization equipment). For a group, outside is much less risk than indoors.

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        3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 5 Apr 2020

          zeynep tufekci Retweeted Dewey

          That's not how people work. WE HAVE TO CONVINCE THEM. Plus, we may be in this for a year. That means we need to consider mental health and immunity. If we close all parks rather than have sane rules, they will gather in cramped petri-dishes aka apartments.https://twitter.com/DeweyTheGooner/status/1246796940458823681 …

          zeynep tufekci added,

          Dewey @DeweyTheGooner
          Replying to @DeweyTheGooner @zeynep
          If two groups from sperate households meet up outside and get told to go home they will go back to their separate households. Not all go indoors together. You might be trying to help with mental health but all you're doing is giving fuel to people who want to do the wrong thing
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        4. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 5 Apr 2020

          zeynep tufekci Retweeted

          Yes, if this pic is real, this is nuts. Look, there are many studies of disaster response where the people are doing things fairly sanely until authorities come down with top-down, overzealous rules and then things get out of hand, and become much worse. https://twitter.com/MuftiOfMunchies/status/1246799075560894464 …

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        5. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 5 Apr 2020

          I want people to distance. I want them to not gather in groups. I want to find ways to encourage both as much as possible within a sane set of rules and recommendations with which we will have maximal cooperation. Driving groups underground into petri-dishes indoors isn't it.

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        6. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 5 Apr 2020

          A 2009 paper on how to get ready for the next pandemic. Yes to distancing, absolutely no to preventing access to outdoors. "..introducing high levels of natural ventilation or, indeed, by encouraging the public to spend as much time outdoors as possible." https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4504358/ …pic.twitter.com/2cG8zKlSqB

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        7. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 5 Apr 2020

          "Close all the parks" is the new "masks may be more harmful". 🙄 Make it possible to distance outdoors, not trap people indoors. In a few years, academics will be publishing studies on how the locales with sane access to outdoors did so much better. Don't be the comparison case.

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        8. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 5 Apr 2020

          Okey dokey, I'll write this out long-form. A lot of "do something" impulse is being channeled towards unscientific scolding that will backfire and/or make things worse. And amazed how many people seem incredulous that ventilation/sun/outdoors are important in infection control.

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        1. Jon Huang, MPH, PhD | BLM |  🙏🏽‏ @jon_y_huang 5 Apr 2020
          Replying to @zeynep

          Jon Huang, MPH, PhD | BLM |  🙏🏽 Retweeted Jon Huang, MPH, PhD | BLM |  🙏🏽

          👍https://twitter.com/jon_y_huang/status/1246726309188743170?s=19 …

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          Jon Huang, MPH, PhD | BLM |  🙏🏽 @jon_y_huang
          I have to wonder, as a quantitative biomedical researcher, that if we (as Homo Sapiens) had encouraged decision makers to value policy, soc, psych, ethics experts as much as we do quantitative modellers, if we might be in a different position than we are now...
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        2. local Obeah enthusiast‏ @qxmmm44 5 Apr 2020
          Replying to @zeynep

          You also have to understand how people live. Real easy to be a stoic patriot yelling "SHUT IT ALL DOWN" when you live in the suburbs with a backyard

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        3. local Obeah enthusiast‏ @qxmmm44 5 Apr 2020
          Replying to @qxmmm44 @zeynep

          try telling 23-35 year olds, the vast majority of whom live in shoebox apartments or basements (with poor air quality ofc) that they should stay in and never go outside for 4 months

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