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Complex systems, wicked problems. Society, technology, science and more. @UNC professor. @NYTimes columnist. My newsletter is @insight: http://www.theinsight.org 

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    1. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 4 Apr 2020

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted Levi Bowles

      No they don’t. This is what people who don’t deeply understand statistics but want to sound smart say all the time. Correlation implies that you can consider causation, but doesn’t prove it. But people use that phrase as if correlation disproves causation. That’s plain stupidhttps://twitter.com/LeviABx/status/1244970629926998016 …

      zeynep tufekci added,

      Levi Bowles @LeviABx
      Replying to @mironov_fm @nntaleb and 2 others
      Yes. The smartest statisticians I know always run around saying "correlation does not imply causation"
      26 replies 92 retweets 625 likes
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    2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 4 Apr 2020

      Anybody immediately responds to a correlation with “but correlation does not imply causation” probably doesn’t know what they’re talking about. Don’t have much to say, throw around smart sounding cocktail phrase. Causal inference is indeed very complex. But correlation is a step!

      10 replies 21 retweets 171 likes
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    3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 4 Apr 2020

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted Eric Weinstein

      Yes, exactly. I’ve seen a few exceptions but that phrase has almost always meant that the person doesn’t know what they’re talking about.https://twitter.com/ericrweinstein/status/777401909376225282 …

      zeynep tufekci added,

      Eric WeinsteinVerified account @EricRWeinstein
      We went way too far teaching "correlation doesn't imply causation" that we now have educated people for whom *nothing* will imply causation.
      5 replies 19 retweets 104 likes
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    4. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 4 Apr 2020

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted Levi Bowles

      By the way, the original tweeter also says he was joking! I'm keeping this thread up because that phrase is indeed so common.https://twitter.com/LeviABx/status/1246508326172704769 …

      zeynep tufekci added,

      Levi Bowles @LeviABx
      Replying to @zeynep
      Yes. Tweet was a joke.
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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 4 Apr 2020

      For weeks, I've been hearing "but correlation does not imply causation" re:masks despite that in this case, yes, yes, it does: we have coverage and a control (Japan, screwing up everything but masks and it's not Lombardy or NYC); analytic reasons (virus); priors (good studies).

      12:27 PM - 4 Apr 2020
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        1. M. Kei (he/him) WEAR A MASK‏ @kujakupoet 4 Apr 2020
          Replying to @zeynep

          Mongolia adopted universal mask wearing in January. They have 14 #covid19 cases and 0 deaths.

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        1. Levi Bowles‏ @LeviABx 4 Apr 2020
          Replying to @zeynep

          Thank you, btw! When I sent the original tweet I was fired up about literally the same thing. Glad to see other people getting upset about the same logic.

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        2. DragonPharmD  💙‏ @DragonPharm 4 Apr 2020
          Replying to @zeynep

          It's become overly used because of the growth of anti science idiots on the internet who tend to use circular "logic". It's a quick way to dispute their erroneous conclusions.

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        3. DragonPharmD  💙‏ @DragonPharm 4 Apr 2020
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          But it seems that has backfired to some extent in that now the idiots throw it out at anything that doesn't suit their beliefs.

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        1. rm -lininger‏ @0xdaeda1a 5 Apr 2020
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          There’s a thread from a doctor that’s been retweeted a zillion times concern trolling in this. The thread wasn’t all bad (and maybe character limits mean some key words were accidentally dropped) but it’s very frustrating.

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