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Complex systems, wicked problems. Society, technology, science and more. @UNC professor. @NYTimes columnist. My newsletter is @insight: http://www.theinsight.org 

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    2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 3 Apr 2020
      Replying to @mattyglesias

      The way out for the media is to show what value they add, not get defensive. Media has to prove it's value-added. Everyone's anxious. But people are very mad (you should see the emails I get) about how they were misled on the issue of masks and the complacency about the pandemic.

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    4. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 3 Apr 2020
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      I have never held back criticizing any institution I worked for. Not once. Not as an academic either. I criticize NYT all the time, and argue with Atlantic writers! Go ahead! But okay, defensiveness is human; that's why figuring out what went wrong has to be policy like NTSB.

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    5. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 3 Apr 2020
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      Defensiveness leads to the herding and the groupthink that sinks institutions. Many forms of journalism are essential; people who think citizen journalists will take up the slack are deluded. We can't afford to toss all media overboard. But we need to distinguish that "some".

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    6. Matthew Noah Smith‏ @MattNoahSmith 3 Apr 2020
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      You realize that a lot of what Vox does is just report on what experts say? What is the problem with that given what you say above?

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    7. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 3 Apr 2020
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      The value is digging into it so you have the right experts. Of course we are all wrong sometimes, but the mask thing was groupthink kind of wrong which is a particular kind of wrong we should work to build very strong defenses against. Not easy! Very human.

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    8. Matthew Noah Smith‏ @MattNoahSmith 3 Apr 2020
      Replying to @zeynep @mattyglesias

      I find the distinction between right and wrong experts to be self-serving here. Either these people were experts who disagreed with you or not experts at all. It’s obviously important in the sciences to allow for disagreement.

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    9. Matthew Noah Smith‏ @MattNoahSmith 3 Apr 2020
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      Perhaps you have an epistemology of expertise in epidemiology and medicine and public that allows you to make distinctions between the good and bad experts. The helpful intervention would have been to have shared that.

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    10. Matthew Noah Smith‏ @MattNoahSmith 3 Apr 2020
      Replying to @MattNoahSmith @zeynep @mattyglesias

      Otherwise you are just kicking a bunch of journalists when they are down.

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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 3 Apr 2020
      Replying to @MattNoahSmith @mattyglesias

      This is exactly why this deserves digging down. Why did we dismiss the Asian expertise? Why did people not look up the many papers that already existed. Yeah, experts herd, too. Understanding such processes is critical.

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        2. Matthew Noah Smith‏ @MattNoahSmith 3 Apr 2020
          Replying to @zeynep @mattyglesias

          So what is the mechanism to avoid this? You haven’t really offered anything. In the academy we have journals with double blind peer review, we have talked with q&a, and there is still herding... journalists have few of those checks. Yes people need to do better but how?

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        3. Matthew Noah Smith‏ @MattNoahSmith 3 Apr 2020
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          Not uncritically repeating government statements is a good start. Reaching out to academics and other experts to check official pronouncements is good. But which academics? Which experts? Should everyone check with *you* before reporting on Covid?

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