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Complex systems, wicked problems. Society, technology, science and more. @UNC professor. @NYTimes columnist. My newsletter is @insight: http://www.theinsight.org 

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    1. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 27 Mar 2020

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted Nate Silver

      Ah look, Nate grossly misrepresenting my position to create a neat straw-man. Full steam pundit habits! (That's about me, a thread about one of tweets). I obviously never compared media failure to government failure let alone say "as much" because that would be idiotic.https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1243404943983169544 …

      zeynep tufekci added,

      Nate SilverVerified account @NateSilver538
      I do **plenty** of media criticism when warranted and there are questions to ask about coronavirus coverage but if your take right now is "actually, this is the media's fault as much as the government's" then you should probably sit this story out.
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    2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 27 Mar 2020

      That a kind of complacency with a different script was *also* spread by what people would consider the science and reality-based crowd is just true. Does it mean no good journalism was done, that government failed less, that there were no good examples. Lol, of course not.

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    3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 27 Mar 2020

      Kind of disappointing, I like a good argument but flimsy straw-man deny us that.

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    4. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 27 Mar 2020

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted Nate Silver

      As for this, NYC wasn't a random seeding contingency. NYC is big travel hub, dense city. You know when *people* of Hong Kong locked themselves down, despite government foot-dragging? Early January. Five deaths so far.https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1243403098858508295 …

      zeynep tufekci added,

      Nate SilverVerified account @NateSilver538
      NYC is dense. It's social. It has a lot of people who travel a lot from all around the world. Those may also have been factors—a lot more likely than "pundit-world". That said, the initial sparks that trigger outbreaks in some places but not others may be somewhat random.
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    5. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 27 Mar 2020

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted Nate Silver

      NYC was destined to have one of the the biggest fires. "Earlier" then whom? Those without fires? I write for traditional media and by normal beat is tech criticism. Look, West Coast also had early outbreaks and is doing better. Tech-folk responded better.https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1243401839883644934 …

      zeynep tufekci added,

      Nate SilverVerified account @NateSilver538
      This is a silly critique. Blaming "pundit-world" for NYC's problems? Most of the data suggests that NYC residents were more alert to risks & doing voluntary social distancing sooner than most places. But voluntary is not enough. Mayor was slow to respond. Federal leaders slower. https://twitter.com/zeynep/status/1243217509882396674 …
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    6. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 27 Mar 2020

      As for failures, it's clear enough so we can say Federal failure and local NYC gov't failure is massive. I can't and won't assign an exact number to role of media because that's not measurable, unless you want to be faux precise, like putting extra digits to your odds ratios.😀

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    7. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 27 Mar 2020

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted Almaqah

      Agree. Hard sell. I tried to talk about it in January and increasingly desperately in February. That's my frustration. The Tsunami—a rare event but not a black swan—was coming and many who could help warn instead told us to chill and worry about sunburn.https://twitter.com/_Almaqah/status/1243564513976295426 …

      zeynep tufekci added,

      Almaqah @_Almaqah
      Replying to @saikit @zeynep @NateSilver538
      Yeah, no city or state was going to voluntarily destroy their economy before there was even a confirmed case in the U.S. It's an unrealistic expecation, however correct it may have been
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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 27 Mar 2020

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted Madlaw

      Yes, this is a terrible failure. It also didn't happen in a vacuum! Federal government failed. But the NYC mayoral failure is a different script than admin failure, and tracks a common pundit message that was not at all rare in February.https://twitter.com/madlaw1071/status/1243568167827517443 …

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      Madlaw @madlaw1071
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        2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 27 Mar 2020

          zeynep tufekci Retweeted Ed Bott

          I don't mind disagreements! They make arguments sharper. But come on. The idea that I claim one type of failure of pundit messaging in more liberal media means this is their fault "as much as" the government? Face value ridiculous.https://twitter.com/edbott/status/1243561129130856448 …

          zeynep tufekci added,

          Ed BottVerified account @edbott
          Replying to @zeynep
          Nate has a unique gift for taking offense at even a mild critique and escalating an argument inappropriately. It's weird how often he does that.
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        3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 27 Mar 2020

          Not reckoning with 2008 and Iraq is partly why we have a Trump presidency. Trump in November will be "this was terrible luck, who knew, we all got blindsided." It's early. Who knows what will happen. But it's important to understand why "we were all blindsided" may resonate.

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        4. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 27 Mar 2020

          Also, back to tech criticism. I used it, but I hate the quote-tweet. It makes it difficult to have substantial arguments but easy to create straw-man for dunking for own audience. I normally reply, and tried with Nate but I thought he's caricaturing beyond reason so I'll expose.

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        5. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 27 Mar 2020

          And yes, it was personally painful to spend late January and February trying to explain that this wasn't some low-risk anymore; that we were going to get hit for sure, and badly, and be told panic was worse, flu etc. One of my favorite cities in the world is being decimated.😢

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        6. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 27 Mar 2020

          zeynep tufekci Retweeted zeynep tufekci

          Finally, if anyone is here for the Twitter fight. Please hop over to my we must all mask up thread (my NYT op-ed about it at the top). NYC will have to mask-up to get through this. Maybe local hospitals can lead, because everything else is failing. 😢https://twitter.com/zeynep/status/1243267203161624576 …

          zeynep tufekci added,

          zeynep tufekciVerified account @zeynep
          We need to model whether distributing ~four surgical masks per person, to be sanitized via 160F oven for 30 min and reused, and worn universally for the next few weeks in hotspots like NYC might be a better way of preserving PPE for hospitals by reducing the pileup at their door.
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        7. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 27 Mar 2020

          zeynep tufekci Retweeted Kelsey Piper

          Just adding this here. An honest reflection from a journalist, helps balance Nate’s straw man representation of my criticism that’s sadly too stupid to argue with. (I like substantial discussions, not caricatures.🤷‍♀️)https://twitter.com/kelseytuoc/status/1243301678301888512 …

          zeynep tufekci added,

          Kelsey PiperVerified account @KelseyTuoc
          One thing I've struggled with personally - I told my family in early February that we should expect the virus to hit here and should buy what we'd need and plan to soon stop leaving our home. I wasn't that direct in a public article for three more weeks. Why not?
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        1. Jonathan Koomey‏ @jgkoomey 27 Mar 2020
          Replying to @zeynep

          I think a lot of media folks are deeply cynical and so it prevents them from seeing actual legitimate threats for what they are.

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        1. Reverend Chipsen Gravy‏ @blackdoginet 27 Mar 2020
          Replying to @zeynep

          Zeynep you may be interested in this thread, a great explanation of the phenomenon of working at the intersection of infectious disease modeling and the study of misinformation during the worst pandemic in a century. https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1243252341756669953.html …

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        2. Madlaw‏ @madlaw1071 27 Mar 2020
          Replying to @zeynep

          Trump banned flights from China, blue check media & Dems called him racist. Trump banned flights from Europe, blue check media & Dems called him a xenophobe. Spare me about federal response.

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        3. wide thicc & deep learning scientist‏ @sklrmths 27 Mar 2020
          Replying to @madlaw1071 @zeynep

          The disease was already spreading inside the US when flights were banned. It's like trying to stop a wildfire by banning campfires.

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