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    1. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 25 Mar 2020

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted  🦎 Curious Reptile  🦎

      And even that was not a great question. Look, some of the people I'm criticizing here include my friends and circles. They're human, the mistakes are human but the problem is the things are set-up. Can't fix that without admitting failure.https://twitter.com/livebeef/status/1242853462209150977 …

      zeynep tufekci added,

       🦎 Curious Reptile  🦎 @livebeef
      Replying to @zeynep
      I've not seen a single reporter or outlet admit fault. No humility. In some cases historical revisionism by claiming this was primarily Trump's fault. Which, while it was substantively his fault, it was also substantively the traditional media's fault at a pivotal time.
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    2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 26 Mar 2020

      I don't agree with everything in this piece, but it's good. I was alarmed in January and switched in February to try to warn people and get pundits to stop writing "what about the flu" and "don't panic" pieces and got lectured and/or failed. https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/03/why-was-it-so-hard-to-raise-the-alarm-on-coronavirus.html …pic.twitter.com/Tixr5TTzHo

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    3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 26 Mar 2020

      Look at the catastrophe unfolding in NYC. It will soon be perhaps the worst hit place globally, and it's not a coincidence that it's the center of exactly that kind of "what about the flu/don't panic" pundit-world/media. Yes it's hard to hear but this is not just a Trump failure.pic.twitter.com/5AJWK7evn4

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    4. Starre Julia Vartan‏ @thecurioushuman 26 Mar 2020
      Replying to @zeynep

      But NYC is significantly more dense than most other cities, and incomparably filthy (I, personally, love that filth & age, so that's not an insult - but that filth isn't great in a pandemic for sure). NYC is also HUGE for its density. Houston, Phoenix, LA, etc. everyone drives.

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    5. Starre Julia Vartan‏ @thecurioushuman 26 Mar 2020
      Replying to @thecurioushuman @zeynep

      I think part of your critique is right - they should have started earlier with prevention - but it's also partially the very nature of NYC. People not even having cars/depending on crowded, dirty public transport, etc. Other US cities don't compare; NYC is quite unique in the US.

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    6. Starre Julia Vartan‏ @thecurioushuman 26 Mar 2020
      Replying to @thecurioushuman @zeynep

      The public transit alone is differently used, nevermind that everything is really close-from how far people sit at coffeeshops/restaurants, to tinyness of apartments & # of ppl living in them. Other urban places in US don't really compare. This impacts disease transmission.

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    7. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 26 Mar 2020
      Replying to @thecurioushuman

      Hong Kong is more dense with almost no public space in the city. They held to zero growth for months and are now dealing with re-importation but still tiny tiny numbers in comparison. Their government also resisted action. People acted anyway. So there was another way.

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    8. Starre Julia Vartan‏ @thecurioushuman 26 Mar 2020
      Replying to @zeynep

      Not disagreeing with your basic premise, but I'm from NY and live hear Seattle now (basically a big suburb with a tiny "downtown" type area, not really a city to my mind) and they are just such different places, that it makes sense to me that transmission would be faster in NYC.

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    9. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 26 Mar 2020
      Replying to @thecurioushuman

      But yeah I'm pointing out something else, not comparing NYC to a rural place.

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    10. Starre Julia Vartan‏ @thecurioushuman 26 Mar 2020
      Replying to @zeynep

      I was comparing cities I've lived in: Boston area, SF Bay Area (huge suburban areas w/in city with scattered downtowns), Seattle— to NYC and thinking abt disease transmission. Not talking rural, just these cities that are car-culture places.

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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 26 Mar 2020
      Replying to @thecurioushuman

      My point stands though. What was coming was obvious in February.

      11:20 AM - 26 Mar 2020
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        2. Starre Julia Vartan‏ @thecurioushuman 26 Mar 2020
          Replying to @zeynep

          Sure & climate change was obviously coming when I was in college 20 yrs ago. Not disagreeing w/you on this, just suggesting NYC is bit unique in the US (less so compared to other cities in the world, but responses are both state and federal so it being an American city counts).

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        3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 26 Mar 2020
          Replying to @thecurioushuman

          Right, but NYC folks probably don't put themselves on the same category as anti-vaxers and climate-deniers. It's not the same failure, but it's in the same category of failures—and they are just not thinking it that way. It would be better for the future if they did.

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