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Complex systems, wicked problems. Society, technology, science and more. @UNC professor. @NYTimes columnist. My newsletter is @insight: http://www.theinsight.org 

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    1. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 25 Mar 2020

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted Jay Rosen

      Yep. Lack of reflection among media and pundits that made all this so much worse is mindblowing. All of February, I watched people locally use those “what about the flu/travel bans don’t work/don’t overreact” articles to decide go on trips and conferences.https://twitter.com/jayrosen_nyu/status/1242647591990562816 …

      zeynep tufekci added,

      Jay RosenVerified account @jayrosen_nyu
      Replying to @zeynep
      Run-up to the Iraq War. Financial crisis in 2008. Election of 2016. No broad reckoning after any of them. Notice how after each of these collapses, there's a huge story to cover. So they move on.
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    2. Nate Silver‏Verified account @NateSilver538 25 Mar 2020
      Replying to @zeynep

      The media coverage on this story has been not without flaws. But pretty good on balance as compared to most other major stories of recent years. Doing journalism in real time is hard. But I guess when you're a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

      11 replies 1 retweet 30 likes
    3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 25 Mar 2020
      Replying to @NateSilver538

      This just isn't true. There have been widespread "worry about the flu" articles; focus on travel bans as racist rather than if they were early or severe enough (they weren't), tons of articles telling people not to "overreact"—right up until March. Long, long past uncertainty.

      1 reply 2 retweets 50 likes
    4. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 25 Mar 2020
      Replying to @zeynep @NateSilver538

      Yes, journalism in real time is hard, that's why it should be done with people who are qualifed and more importantly, learn from their mistakes. People went on with conferences and Disney trips because of those articles. Plus, there is still no "speaking truth to power" on masks.

      1 reply 3 retweets 44 likes
    5. Nate Silver‏Verified account @NateSilver538 25 Mar 2020
      Replying to @zeynep

      I don't know. I, as an alert reader of media coverage, have been worried about this for a long time, as my friends/colleagues would be happy to tell you. The coverage has been pretty science-driven. The focus on the political aspect of it has been fairly proportionate.

      7 replies 2 retweets 45 likes
    6. Nate Silver‏Verified account @NateSilver538 25 Mar 2020
      Replying to @NateSilver538 @zeynep

      Uncertainty amidst something growing at exponential rates is both hard to understand and hard to convey to readers—I get that. I'm just tired of this constant hindsight bias when journalists don't have that luxury.

      8 replies 2 retweets 25 likes
    7. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 25 Mar 2020
      Replying to @NateSilver538

      It isn't hindsight bias, though. People who had no business reassuring us reassured us falsely and unscientifically. I trace that in my article. In early February, we had everything in place to 1-Recommend stopping travel/cancelling gatherings. 2-Tell people to get ready.

      2 replies 1 retweet 41 likes
    8. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 25 Mar 2020
      Replying to @zeynep @NateSilver538

      Instead of reporting, we got scripts "travel bans are racist", "panic is bad", "overreaction has downsides" etc that are sometimes appropriate, but weren't to this. That's the whole value of journalism though! Break the script and investigate! Otherwise, it's autopilot punditry.

      2 replies 4 retweets 44 likes
    9. Nate Silver‏Verified account @NateSilver538 25 Mar 2020
      Replying to @zeynep

      I don't see any attempt from you to evaluate the coverage in a comprehensive way. You're cherry-picking. You're lumping unlike things together. No nuance for which outlets are doing better or worse. No recognition for what journalism is like in real time.

      7 replies 1 retweet 75 likes
    10. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 25 Mar 2020
      Replying to @NateSilver538

      I certainly agree that there should be a comprehensive study of this, but I'm confident that I am not cherry-picking. I also watched this from ground up locally. But just like 2016; media itself more interested in studying failures of anything but itself.

      4 replies 1 retweet 31 likes
      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 25 Mar 2020
      Replying to @zeynep @NateSilver538

      Also, when I talk about media's failure in 2016, that's not my home turf! I work more on tech/misinformation etc but I can still see how much traditional media failed, and did not reflect that much on it. Same here. "Don't panic; travel; don't be racist; worry about the flu.."

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        1. Firas Durri‏ @firasd 25 Mar 2020
          Replying to @zeynep @NateSilver538

          Firas Durri Retweeted Nate Silver

          It’s interesting to see Nate push back here cause I think he agrees with you about 2016 👇https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1185936755549184001 …

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          Nate SilverVerified account @NateSilver538
          Where's the evidence that Trump's digital ads were very effective? Most of it seems to be a lot of bragging by Brad Parscale, amplified by media that would like you to ignore more obvious explanations for how Trump won, such as obsessive media coverage of Clinton's emails. https://twitter.com/jonfavs/status/1185934416117293059 …
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        2. Frank Werner Stanton‏ @Fwstanton 25 Mar 2020
          Replying to @zeynep @NateSilver538

          Glad you bring up FaceBook and digital ‘media’. Most Americans don’t read the NYTs or watch MSNBC / CNN. They get their ‘news’ from FB and ‘Medium’ blogs. There’s tons misinformation, often injected by partisan political groups. Investigate that ecosystem

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        3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 25 Mar 2020
          Replying to @Fwstanton @NateSilver538

          I think it's a lot more complicated than that. I'm talking about traditional media sources that misinformed people which was then shared by the relatively highly-educated local population around me to justify further travel/gatherings. It wasn't the usual snake-oil or misinfo.

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