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    1. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 21 Mar 2020
      Replying to @zeynep @RVAwonk and

      When and if we get through this mask shortage, we will almost certainly have to get used to universal mask usage as we relaxed the lockdown. In this current unfortunate messaging will hurt us very much in the long run because it is not correct.

      2 replies 11 retweets 62 likes
    2. Caroline Orr Bueno, Ph.D‏ @RVAwonk 21 Mar 2020
      Replying to @zeynep @dankrutka @sivavaid

      If/when universal mask-wearing is recommended, it will be because the environment/characteristics of the outbreak have changed in a way that makes wearing masks more advantageous than not wearing them. But that’s not where we are at the moment.

      6 replies 2 retweets 13 likes
    3. Caroline Orr Bueno, Ph.D‏ @RVAwonk 21 Mar 2020
      Replying to @RVAwonk @zeynep and

      That’s the nature of risk — it’s a matter of cost/benefit and it is measured on a continuum, not a dichotomous scale. What works to reduce risk in one place may not work in another, and what works at the beginning of an outbreak may not be recommended as a long-term solution.

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    4. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 21 Mar 2020
      Replying to @RVAwonk @dankrutka @sivavaid

      But the claims in your thread aren’t going to hold up. Look I agree the shortage a major crisis and we should go donate. But we should be truthful about what masks do and don’t. That’s pretty clear.

      2 replies 1 retweet 47 likes
    5. Caroline Orr Bueno, Ph.D‏ @RVAwonk 21 Mar 2020
      Replying to @zeynep @dankrutka @sivavaid

      I’m not sure it’s that clear, though. The “optimal use” vs “actual use” scenario is something that we don’t really know how will play out in the US, since most people in the US have never even worn one for a short amount of time. The potential for accidental exposure is real.

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    6. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 21 Mar 2020
      Replying to @RVAwonk @dankrutka @sivavaid

      I'm just going to be honest. The claims in your thread aren't correct or backed by science, and this whole thing has been a messaging disaster. People can learn to wear masks better very easily and even imperfect masks are better than no masks. The only crisis is the shortage.

      2 replies 9 retweets 58 likes
    7. Caroline Orr Bueno, Ph.D‏ @RVAwonk 21 Mar 2020
      Replying to @zeynep @dankrutka @sivavaid

      Caroline Orr Bueno, Ph.D Retweeted Caroline Orr Bueno, Ph.D

      I think you're vastly underestimating the difficulties of rapidly teaching a large population to wear something over their mouth & nose that they've worn before -- w/o touching it when it becomes uncomfortable. The Lancet, among others, acknowledges this.https://twitter.com/RVAwonk/status/1241498781457285120?s=20 …

      Caroline Orr Bueno, Ph.D added,

      Caroline Orr Bueno, Ph.D @RVAwonk
      The Lancet recently touched on this. As they acknowledged, "not changing disposable masks could jeopardise the protective effect & even increase the risk of infection." They don't rule out more widespread use of masks -- if the evidence supports it. https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(20)30134-X/fulltext … pic.twitter.com/hxAUIfXx7r
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    8. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 21 Mar 2020
      Replying to @RVAwonk @dankrutka @sivavaid

      First, the evidence supports it. Second, they have no issues with this alleged "incorrect mask wearing threat" in all the universal mask countries. If we can teach people how to wash their hands properly, we can teach them to wear masks better. (Washing hands properly is harder).

      2 replies 1 retweet 24 likes
    9. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 21 Mar 2020
      Replying to @zeynep @RVAwonk and

      Plus, please not the recommendation in that Lancet article. "Perhaps it would also be rational to recommend that people in quarantine wear face masks if they need to leave home for any reason, to prevent potential asymptomatic or presymptomatic transmission". Which is the point.

      2 replies 0 retweets 11 likes
    10. Caroline Orr Bueno, Ph.D‏ @RVAwonk 21 Mar 2020
      Replying to @zeynep @dankrutka @sivavaid

      I did. That’s why I said they leave the door open for more widespread mask usage — if the evidence supports it. Right now, it doesn’t, which is why they’re not being recommended in the US by any health agencies.

      1 reply 1 retweet 3 likes
      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 21 Mar 2020
      Replying to @RVAwonk @dankrutka @sivavaid

      The reason they are not recommended is the shortage. The evidence is there. It's not even complicated. That's the painful truth. That's why I honestly think your thread isn't helpful. It's not correct. Masks aren't harmful. They are just short in supply.

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        2. ItSpreadsLikeSmoke 😷‏ @DaddyD0dd 21 Mar 2020
          Replying to @zeynep @RVAwonk and

          We’ve seen Chinese helpers straight up tell Italy to start wearing masks. All the Asian countries that have already got it under control are looking at European countries without a prevalence of mask-wearing with disbelief.

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        2. Petra de Asis  🌱 🗳 📮‏ @petra_deAsis 21 Mar 2020
          Replying to @zeynep @RVAwonk and

          There’s also evidence showing that asymptomatic individuals are responsible for the majority of transmission. Masks, even if imperfect, can help with risk reduction and mitigation.

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        3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 21 Mar 2020
          Replying to @petra_deAsis @RVAwonk and

          Of course. (It's hard to realize and accept that we've been misled.)

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        2. Caroline Orr Bueno, Ph.D‏ @RVAwonk 21 Mar 2020
          Replying to @zeynep @dankrutka @sivavaid

          The question isn't "are masks harmful?", but rather, "under the current conditions, does population-wide mask-wearing confer more benefit than risk?" The answer to that question, at least right now, is yes. Nothing is completely harmless; that's why we assess harm vs. benefits.

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        3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 21 Mar 2020
          Replying to @RVAwonk @dankrutka @sivavaid

          The answer this is a loud and clear yes, except for the shortage. What on earth is the harm from mask wearing compare to the obvious and clearly demonstrated benefits of universal mask wearing in an epidemic with asymptomatic transmission.

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