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    1. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 22 Feb 2020

      New piece. Hear me out. What if Xi Jinping didn't even *know* of key details of the coronavirus outbreak until it was too late? What if his authoritarian blindspot was *worsened* by China's use of surveillance and censorship technology? https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2020/02/coronavirus-and-blindness-authoritarianism/606922/ …pic.twitter.com/Zof3Ct6taI

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    2. Lily Chumley‏ @lilychumley 22 Feb 2020
      Replying to @zeynep

      Are you saying 1) that the public media subject to content control are also the primary forms of administrative communication/bureaucratic knowledge Or 2) that authoritarianism blocks information flow as lower-levels are reluctant to report up ?

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    3. Lily Chumley‏ @lilychumley 22 Feb 2020
      Replying to @lilychumley @zeynep

      Both assumptions are inaccurate. Xi apparently ordered containment two weeks before the public announcement. According to Dr. Li Wenliang, the key problem was not lack of information at the top but lack of publicity

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    4. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 22 Feb 2020
      Replying to @lilychumley

      There was leaked a speech way after-the fact that claimed that, but what alternative does he have? Could he admit? Also the leak of that speech was highly unusual. Plus, the stark difference in behavior before and after Jan 20. Dr. Wenliang's testimony supports my assertion imo.

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    5. Lily Chumley‏ @lilychumley 22 Feb 2020
      Replying to @zeynep

      I don't agree, the leaked speech is indeed an ineffectual scramble to contain public anger, but that doesn't mean it's doctored. In most cases of containment that have provoked the most public anger there is another evidence of knowledge at the top

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    6. Lily Chumley‏ @lilychumley 22 Feb 2020
      Replying to @lilychumley @zeynep

      The problem is not that they don't know, but that they are more interested in protecting themselves than protecting people But sadly that is a widespread feature of bureaucratic power regardless of political systems

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    7. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 22 Feb 2020
      Replying to @lilychumley

      I find that unpersuasive *at the top* given the SARS experience. Look at how draconian the measures were after January 20th! Anyone (Xi) who understood the stakes enough to shut down tens of millions in one day just sat on the information when it was much much easier to contain?

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    8. Lily Chumley‏ @lilychumley 22 Feb 2020
      Replying to @zeynep

      Well they also shut down information on melamine in milk for months in 2008, to avoid ruining the Olympics. The capacity to tolerate some people's deaths is the fundamental cruelty (but keep Flint in mind before you argue that is a unique feature of the CCP)

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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 22 Feb 2020
      Replying to @lilychumley

      Agree. I’m not at all arguing this is unique to them but an epidemic is a good test because it cannot be contained—the other examples are local. Given 2003 SARS, Xi should know. And their actions *after* January 20 certainly fit what they would do once they knew at the top.

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        2. Lily Chumley‏ @lilychumley 22 Feb 2020
          Replying to @zeynep

          You can't assume "what they would do once they knew" because 1) there's a long history of knowledge+inaction, and 2) shutting down a city of 12 million people is a huge project and not to be trivialized (What would it take to get Cuomo to shut down NYC?)

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        3. Lily Chumley‏ @lilychumley 22 Feb 2020
          Replying to @lilychumley @zeynep

          So lack of central Politburo action is not evidence of ignorance

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