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    zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 29 Dec 2019

    zeynep tufekci Retweeted Arvind Narayanan

    👇Yep, that “paper” isn’t even wrong. One tragedy of all this is that, at the moment, only the companies can fully study phenomenon such as the behavior of recommendation algorithms. There are some great external studies that do give us a sense—but that’s all we get. Yet.https://twitter.com/random_walker/status/1211262124724510721 …

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    Arvind NarayananVerified account @random_walker
    A new paper has been making the rounds with the intriguing claim that YouTube has a *de-radicalizing* influence. https://arxiv.org/abs/1912.11211  Having read the paper, I wanted to call it wrong, but that would give the paper too much credit, because it is not even wrong. Let me explain.
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    • Julian Jaursch @SystD Jake Hamby 💾 Şerife (Sherry) Wong DialecticalEngineer lprsd Shannon McGregor, PhD Frederik Zuiderveen Borgesius Henrique Antoun
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      2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 29 Dec 2019

        Could we do a proper study of, say, the behavior of recommendation algorithms without the participation of the company? Yes. It would need to be a panel study, and it would be expensive and difficult. It’s doable, but like any complex phenomenon not cheap or simple.

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      3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 29 Dec 2019

        LOL to anyone pretending to study recommendation algorithms without being logged in. It’s plausible YouTube’s has gotten better – partly because we highlighted the problem when they had their head in the sand. I also don’t think it’s fixable without “sacrificing” some engagement.

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      2. Karoli‏Verified account @Karoli 29 Dec 2019
        Replying to @zeynep

        I’d be interested in knowing who funded that “research"

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      3. Ed Bott‏Verified account @edbott 29 Dec 2019
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        Ed Bott Retweeted Jeremy Kauffman  📚  🦔

        He says it's self-funded. I'm skeptical but agree that the complete lack of credible data is a huge problem.https://twitter.com/jeremykauffman/status/1211006760380764161 …

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        Jeremy Kauffman  📚  🦔 @jeremykauffman
        Fantastic research from @mark_ledwich on YouTube algorithms. I approached Mark about giving him funds from @LBRYio no strings attached bc this research is important. He declined to ensure he would stay independent. Support him on Patreon here https://www.patreon.com/join/ledwich  https://twitter.com/mark_ledwich/status/1210743158184693760 …
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      1. Chris‏ @Walshman23 29 Dec 2019
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        Thanks for weighing in. This paper infuriated me. Seems like techies are the new physicist-cum-knowitalls, which is irksome to the extreme.

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      1. Loves non-destructive capitalism  ☕️ 🍻‏ @Mike___Weaver 29 Dec 2019
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        Black box testing is what you all outside the company are doing to glimpse sociologically damaging outcomes from use of the product. BBT is common and often provides useful results.

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      1. Sean Kelly‏ @seanthekelly 29 Dec 2019
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        It's too bad that YouTube lacks transparency about how its directing the attention of 2 billion humans.

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