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Complex systems, wicked problems. Society, technology, science and more. @UNC professor. @NYTimes columnist. My newsletter is @insight: http://www.theinsight.org 

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    1. Renee DiResta‏Verified account @noUpside 17 Oct 2019
      Replying to @benedictevans

      do you have a FB presence for your writing/newsletter?

      1 reply 0 retweets 7 likes
    2. Benedict Evans‏Verified account @benedictevans 17 Oct 2019
      Replying to @noUpside

      I don’t need to reach a mass audience

      1 reply 0 retweets 5 likes
    3. Renee DiResta‏Verified account @noUpside 17 Oct 2019
      Replying to @benedictevans

      even so. there's no right to reach a mass audience conferred by the freedom of speech. doing something that results in getting kicked off facebook is not a loss of freedom of speech.

      2 replies 1 retweet 50 likes
    4. Benedict Evans‏Verified account @benedictevans 17 Oct 2019
      Replying to @noUpside

      If you ban someone from TV, radio, print and newspapers but say 'you're free to make a speech in the street', has your freedom of speech not been affected?

      6 replies 0 retweets 13 likes
    5. Renee DiResta‏Verified account @noUpside 18 Oct 2019
      Replying to @benedictevans

      For most of human history people couldn’t get themselves into TV, radio, print, or newspapers, and they made speeches in the street. Were their rights violated?

      4 replies 2 retweets 24 likes
    6. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 18 Oct 2019
      Replying to @noUpside @benedictevans

      I’d say yes. There is a genuine free-speech question here. It’s also true that everyone can’t have the same level of amplification.

      2 replies 0 retweets 5 likes
    7. Renee DiResta‏Verified account @noUpside 18 Oct 2019
      Replying to @zeynep @benedictevans

      I believe that’s true if the limitation was because of their idea. But the limiting factors in the old mediums included space and time. I have a hard time seeing that practical limitation as a denial of rights.

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    8. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 18 Oct 2019
      Replying to @noUpside @benedictevans

      Look how well deplatforming from just three—Facebook, YouTube, Twitter—works. It’s one thing to believe that the society may well be better off without A Jones in the public sphere, another to realize that’s an immense power being exercised mostly arbitrarily.

      2 replies 1 retweet 16 likes
    9. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 18 Oct 2019
      Replying to @zeynep @noUpside @benedictevans

      Not that the old model was perfect, but we worked on it to make it less worse. And since we are never going back, we have to figure this one out. I would say being cut off from Facebook is a genuine free speech issue, and Facebook is right that this shouldn’t be just up to them.

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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 18 Oct 2019
      Replying to @sivavaid @noUpside @benedictevans

      I believe access to audiences is a free speech issue—it’s always been. Free speech has never been only about the right to mumble to yourself. It’s certainly different now in many ways, but the audience question has never been separate from free-speech since we had mass media.

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        2. Chad Loder‏ @chadloder 18 Oct 2019
          Replying to @zeynep @sivavaid and

          We keep straying from the point that social media platforms are designed to amplify, target, and inject PAID SPEECH in powerful ways that are dramatically and qualitatively different than other content.

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        3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 18 Oct 2019
          Replying to @chadloder @sivavaid and

          This is my piece from years ago. There are many issues on the table. Getting cut off is one of them, which is what I said in this thread. It’s not as simple as “go elsewhere then.”https://www.wired.com/story/free-speech-issue-tech-turmoil-new-censorship/ …

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        2. Renee DiResta‏Verified account @noUpside 18 Oct 2019
          Replying to @zeynep @sivavaid @benedictevans

          to be clear, I have always been in favor of transparency and an appeals process when it comes to takedowns, and support this new Supreme Court being applied to mediate deplatforming issues. but no, i don't think free speech includes a right to free algorithmic amplification...

          5 replies 1 retweet 12 likes
        3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 18 Oct 2019
          Replying to @noUpside @sivavaid @benedictevans

          So what happens, then, if, say Facebook decides not to algorithmically amplify Elizabeth Warren, and only Elizabeth Warren? Tough for her? Maybe she can get around that? What if it is a small-scale candidate, just starting out—career quietly dies down?

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