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Complex systems, wicked problems. Society, technology, science and more. @UNC professor. @NYTimes columnist. My newsletter is @insight: http://www.theinsight.org 

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    2. Laurence Berland‏ @laurenceb 11 Oct 2019
      Replying to @sfmnemonic @zeynep and

      Just want to make sure I'm following this properly: @sfmnemonic saying @Apple asserts law violated, might be true, so Apple should cite the legal authority? @zeynep saying there can be no legal authority for this in Hong Kong so any claim of violation of law necessarily false?

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    3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 12 Oct 2019
      Replying to @laurenceb @sfmnemonic and

      No the opposite. Hong Kong has a mostly independent judiciary, still, and clear laws. Just like the US, someone needs to cite a law here or refer to a legal process before you can talk of lawful obligation. Legislators in charge of IT are on the record. saying no such law.

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    5. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 12 Oct 2019
      Replying to @sfmnemonic @laurenceb and

      Fine someone cite it then! It is clearly the obligation of the person invoking to the law to tell us which one it is. Due process isn’t “I hinted at a non-disclosed law so you have to assume it exists and there was a process.” The obligation is on the person invoking and acting!

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    9. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 12 Oct 2019
      Replying to @sfmnemonic @laurenceb and

      In which case we would sympathize with them if they told us what the heck was going on. The way it all came together, re-banning the app immediately after Peoples Daily published a scolding piece, and lack of support from HK police, makes no other sense at the moment.

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    10. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 12 Oct 2019
      Replying to @zeynep @sfmnemonic and

      I am pretty sure Hong Kong police, whatever else the problems they may have in the way they do things, aren’t actually concerned with this app. They may be forced to a post hoc statement by mainland but still... That’s why my knowledge of the substantive issue matters.

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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 12 Oct 2019
      Replying to @zeynep @sfmnemonic and

      When substantial claims are this far off base, we need a law cited or a legal process invoked before that benefit of the doubt can be summoned. “Let’s see what they have to say” would make sense if one could even imagine a plausible legal scenario.

      8:06 AM - 12 Oct 2019
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        2. Laurence Berland‏ @laurenceb 12 Oct 2019
          Replying to @zeynep @sfmnemonic and

          Right and this is why I'm asking what @sfmnemonic would consider acceptable for those concerned to say, now. It's both because, as you say, the claim is (per your reporting of police statements) baseless, and because there's urgency here.

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        3. Laurence Berland‏ @laurenceb 12 Oct 2019
          Replying to @laurenceb @zeynep and

          I'm not inclined to let Apple play delay of game on this. I appreciate due process but I think it's a stretch to apply here because we don't even know what legal process is due, and the statements you report indicate there isn't a legal process at play

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