What again, @Apple? (And yes, @qz coverage of Hong Kong protests has been great!) https://twitter.com/jkeefe/status/1182023843725971457 …
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And Apple banned
@hkmaplive again. This is an app Hong Kong residents use to stay safe and avoid tear gas. It’s much more law-enforcement friendly than, say, waze. History will remember all this groveling to authoritarians. Apple has $245 billion in cash. https://twitter.com/hkmaplive/status/1182136794646757377 …zeynep tufekci added,
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@Apple should immediately release details of where and how “Hong Kong police have been ambushed” using this app. I know of no reports of “ambushes.” Meanwhile, I constantly saw kids caught in tear gas in Hong Kong. This app helps people avoid that.https://twitter.com/kongtsunggan/status/1182146601608863745 …zeynep tufekci added,
Kong Tsung-gan / 江松澗 @KongTsungGanThis@Apple statement justifying the removal of http://HKmap.live from its App Store is wrong in so many ways, it's hard to know where to begin. 1) Could Apple please show us the evidence of how the app has been used 'in ways that endanger law enforcement & residents'? pic.twitter.com/BXprxCWRM6Show this thread4 replies 132 retweets 291 likesShow this thread -
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@tim_cook please change your profile quote. If Apple cannot let an app that helps families with children avoid tear gas in Hong Kong stay in the app store, it sounds like you have other urgent questions. “We have $245 billion cash on hand. Urgent question, how much more?”pic.twitter.com/GpRbKcT1Pg
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Yep. Waze (not there to help people avoid tear gas but get away with speeding, which is actually dangerous) can stay on
@Apple, but@hkmaplive is banned on a false claim. ("Police ambush"?
Not a single such report and why would it be an open app then??) https://twitter.com/JacobFloat/status/1182274143460429825 …zeynep tufekci added,
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@tim_cook's email to Apple employees on its HK map ban makes no sense. The claims make no sense and have no evidence. Plus, police locations aren't secret! It's a small city. The key function of the app is to *avoid* the police/tear gashttps://twitter.com/Pinboard/status/1182348757360234497 …zeynep tufekci added,
Pinboard @PinboardSo@hkmaplive has shared what purports to be an internal email from Tim Cook to Apple employees. As a user of the app, and an observer of the Hong Kong protests, I would like to address two serious allegations in this email that I believe are false. https://pastebin.com/dFyftCuZ pic.twitter.com/YYNwlFGHvPShow this thread7 replies 82 retweets 108 likesShow this thread -
HK map app can't be used to "individually" target police because it doesn't have any granular reporting and as anyone in Hong Kong can attest, the police travel in *large* groups. Repeat: the app has no granular function. More like police here, tear gas there, road block here.
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Victimizing individuals when police aren't present? It's pretty clear if the police aren't there if you're already there. Anyone using this app (which has a lag) to do anything "fine-tuned" is an idiot and HK police will be faster. For a family trying to avoid tear gas? Useful.
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Someone (Hong Kong authorities? It's unclear because even they aren't making these claims) is giving Apple wrong information, and rather than believing Hong Kong legislators, Apple is choosing to believe nonsensical claims. Seriously, the app is useless for the described goals.
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Also, the protesters police has trouble with (so-called frontliners) don't use this. They scatter ["be water"] as soon as police is spotted, the app *lags* any police attempt at ambush by a good deal. They see the police, yell and blow whistles. 30 seconds later, they're gone.
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I lost count of the number of times I've seen families with kids trying to run away because the police came to a place, sat around a bit and then used an excessive amount of tear gas. For that kind of info on what to avoid (area with protest/police activity), the app is useful.
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So, this is a public, crowd-sourced map with no granular reporting plus lag; no known incidents of police being "ambushed"; and protesters have other methods for info. But this is how a person trying to avoid protest/tear gas can look at a map and make a reasonable decision.
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@tim_cook should stop listening to secret claims by Hong Kong authorities that even the HK police aren't willing to repeat in public (because they're ridiculous and would be laughed out of the room there) and listen to Hong Kong's pro-democracy legislators and civic society.1 reply 24 retweets 58 likesShow this thread
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