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    1. Steph Paton  ❄️‏Verified account @stephenpaton134 8 Oct 2019

      Elon Musk actually tried to get the Thai Government to stop and publicly reverse a statement criticising his little sub while the kids were STILL TRAPPED IN THE CAVE.https://www.buzzfeed.com/ryanmac/unsworth-reply-elon-musk-fucking-idiot …

      12 replies 119 retweets 325 likes
    2. Aaron "Get a Vaccine" Huslage‏ @huslage 8 Oct 2019
      Replying to @stephenpaton134 @zeynep

      I have issue with that statement. While what Musk did might be wrong on many levels, the idea that people would stop helping those kids just because someone asked them to change their statement is ridiculous. The Thai government isn’t some tiny org. Lots of people work there.

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    3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 8 Oct 2019
      Replying to @huslage @stephenpaton134

      Completely disagree. Biggest danger Musk posed was diverting government attention from competent people. That’s how governments screw up rescues. (Oh, he’s a billionaire, he must know something, he’ll invest in Thailand...) He diffused focus, the most precious thing in a rescue.

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    4. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 8 Oct 2019
      Replying to @zeynep @huslage @stephenpaton134

      In that rescue of many miracles, perhaps the biggest miracle was how Vern got the Thai government to step aside in favor of a bunch of foreign cave rescuers. Remember they first sent in their divers and a Thai Navy seal died. He even emailed rescuers whose time was so valuable.

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    5. Aaron "Get a Vaccine" Huslage‏ @huslage 8 Oct 2019
      Replying to @zeynep @stephenpaton134

      Yes I wasn’t disputing the facts, or even that Musk was a dick. I was trying to understand the argument that the entire government got distracted and hampered the rescue somehow.

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    6. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 8 Oct 2019
      Replying to @huslage @stephenpaton134

      He didn’t manage but posed that risk. If he had done what he did quietly, ran it by cave divers not on the ground and proceeded with that input—rather than tweeting about it day and night, contacting the Thai government, emailing the rescuers, even going there—no objections.

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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 8 Oct 2019
      Replying to @zeynep @huslage @stephenpaton134

      The problem and the threat was the narcissistic effort to grab publicity, not the useless gizmo. Heck, I’d have applauded the quiet effort even though it was obviously useless. You’d be surprised what an uphill battle it is to get officials to let the real experts do their job.

      3:36 PM - 8 Oct 2019
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      • Kevin Beattie was a legend серафими многоꙮчитїи Baddie of Christ, MD 🧚🏿‍♂️ Aaron "Get a Vaccine" Huslage
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        2. Aaron "Get a Vaccine" Huslage‏ @huslage 8 Oct 2019
          Replying to @zeynep @stephenpaton134

          I follow now. Thanks for the clarification. I might be dense.

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        3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 8 Oct 2019
          Replying to @huslage @stephenpaton134

          No issues! (Also that rescue. Wow. Nobody thought they’d get every kid out alive. I’m a diver, not a cave diver though, and I’d have given myself 50 percent odds of being rescued. They got a doctor cave rescuer on the site to anesthetize!! There aren’t two of them in the world).

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        1. Cam Foale‏ @kibibu 9 Oct 2019
          Replying to @zeynep @huslage @stephenpaton134

          Cam Foale Retweeted Elon Musk

          Musk, the non-expert, actually *went to the cave* with his useless subs.https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1016443130017505280 …

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          Elon MuskVerified account @elonmusk
          Just returned from Cave 3. Mini-sub is ready if needed. It is made of rocket parts & named Wild Boar after kids’ soccer team. Leaving here in case it may be useful in the future. Thailand is so beautiful. pic.twitter.com/EHNh8ydaTT
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