Same goes for other places. You cannot make people fight. The will to fight has to come from within tge society, you can only help them develop tools to do so.
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Replying to @AlanSmitheeChi @MaSans and
You cannot convince these people. They think the CIA is behind almost every protest movement in the world. The ridiculous part is you can’t manufacture movements—especially high-risk ones. The tragicomic part is they also think they’re left but spend time demonizing protesters.
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No, you don't understand how movements work. Çountries all over the world do this: they try to meddle. It doesn't work or makes marginal difference. Look at how much money, effort etc. has indeed been spent trying to get Cubans to overthrow the regime. 60 YEARS! Didn't work.
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Replying to @zeynep @lilyslynch and
The tragedy here is that people like you disempower dissidents around the world by mindlessly exaggerating the power of foreign governments and also falsely accuse very brave people fighting for freedom as being foreign agents—and thus you help authoritarians crush dissent.
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Replying to @zeynep @lilyslynch and
If we lived in the world of your fantasies—few trainings and some money somehow generating people willing to risk their lives—the world wouldn't look like it does. But your vilification of dissent is well aligned with what all authoritarians claim—dissidents are "foreign hands".
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Your original claim the Egyptians were trained by Serbians on how to overthrow their regime, and that was somehow a big factor is offensive beyond words and false to the point of ridiculous. Protesters always look to learn from everything but someone's training session isn't it.
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Replying to @zeynep @lilyslynch and
The idea that Egyptians wouldn't otherwise use a new tool that let them bypass censorship unless they got US-funded training by Serbians is insulting, racist and also ridiculous. That movement pioneered many new uses, but they also, of course, learned by looking at the world.
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The only use for these exaggerated claims, besides empowering authoritarians, is when people apply for funding—by claiming something that is basically a rounding error in historical dynamics is actually important. (US should get a refund on the pointless billions spent on Cuba.)
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Replying to @zeynep @lilyslynch and
In Cuba they even funded a fake social network! Didn't work. (I wrote an article condemning it as pointless and illegitimate in a mainstream outlet.) Most trainings are a few powerpoints and banal points protesters figure out ANYWAY from reading the news. haha lol big difference.
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