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Complex systems, wicked problems. Society, technology, science and more. @UNC professor. @NYTimes columnist. My newsletter is @insight: http://www.theinsight.org 

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    1. Gerry Doyle‏ @mgerrydoyle 13 Aug 2019

      Gerry Doyle Retweeted Brendan O'Kane

      indeed—there is a reflexive impulse to insist that victims, or the powerless, must be pure. it’s possible, and even likely, to make mistakes and still be entirely in the righthttps://twitter.com/bokane/status/1161266150329765891 …

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      Brendan O'Kane @bokane
      Thread. There are people I love and respect who are effectively siding with the PRC government just because they find the protestors to be less than completely perfect. It’s hard not to think much less of them for that. https://twitter.com/XinqiSu/status/1161263788315648005 …
      2 replies 12 retweets 48 likes
    2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 13 Aug 2019
      Replying to @mgerrydoyle

      But the events reveal not just being "less than completely perfect" or some lack of tactical savvy (both of which arguably so) but a deeper, different issue, and if this movement doesn't honestly confront and find an effective way out, they cannot function against what they face.

      1 reply 3 retweets 10 likes
    3. Gerry Doyle‏ @mgerrydoyle 13 Aug 2019
      Replying to @zeynep

      what deeper, different issue does it reveal? they were angry at discovering a cop and propagandist in their midst... how should they have reacted?

      3 replies 0 retweets 3 likes
    4. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 13 Aug 2019
      Replying to @mgerrydoyle

      They have no mechanism for intervening in a situation that was in the brink of turning deadly, and besides all the obvious moral issues, no movement can survive that against a tough adversary. They also cannot win street battles (hope it never comes to that but they cannot).

      3 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    5. Gerry Doyle‏ @mgerrydoyle 13 Aug 2019
      Replying to @zeynep

      so the deeper issue is they can't win? I think you've put your finger on why they've responded the way they have in the face of an increasingly violent state: they have nothing to lose, and thus no reason to stop fighting

      3 replies 0 retweets 5 likes
    6. Gerry Doyle‏ @mgerrydoyle 13 Aug 2019
      Replying to @mgerrydoyle @zeynep

      I also think it's deeply unfair to analyze their response to a heated situation this way without also acknowledging that is the government/police turning up the temperature--not the protesters. to the extent there is blame to assign for "the way things are," it's one-sided

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    7. RAGEPATH‏ @ragepath 13 Aug 2019
      Replying to @mgerrydoyle @zeynep

      That's the thing about authoritarianism: it co-opts any neutral mechanisms of investigation & arbitration. The police are supposed to be protecting civilians, not infiltrating and suppressing them. The protesters have to reinvent civil society outside the contours of state power.

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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 13 Aug 2019
      Replying to @ragepath @mgerrydoyle

      It is very very tough. But the state/authoritarians will do what they do. The only thing dissident movements can do is understand what’s happening and find a way to respond. You can only control your own response is true here too.

      6:09 PM - 13 Aug 2019
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        2. RAGEPATH‏ @ragepath 13 Aug 2019
          Replying to @zeynep @mgerrydoyle

          The problem movements like this have, is that they can't collectively control their own response. The collective-action problems are immense and exacerbated by bad-faith infiltration (which also encourages protesters to minimize bad actors on their own side).

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        3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 13 Aug 2019
          Replying to @ragepath @mgerrydoyle

          All that and more. And last weekends revelations of undercover police obviously laid the ground for this moment.

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