indeed—there is a reflexive impulse to insist that victims, or the powerless, must be pure. it’s possible, and even likely, to make mistakes and still be entirely in the righthttps://twitter.com/bokane/status/1161266150329765891 …
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Replying to @mgerrydoyle
But the events reveal not just being "less than completely perfect" or some lack of tactical savvy (both of which arguably so) but a deeper, different issue, and if this movement doesn't honestly confront and find an effective way out, they cannot function against what they face.
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Replying to @zeynep
what deeper, different issue does it reveal? they were angry at discovering a cop and propagandist in their midst... how should they have reacted?
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Replying to @mgerrydoyle
They have no mechanism for intervening in a situation that was in the brink of turning deadly, and besides all the obvious moral issues, no movement can survive that against a tough adversary. They also cannot win street battles (hope it never comes to that but they cannot).
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Replying to @zeynep
so the deeper issue is they can't win? I think you've put your finger on why they've responded the way they have in the face of an increasingly violent state: they have nothing to lose, and thus no reason to stop fighting
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Replying to @mgerrydoyle @zeynep
I also think it's deeply unfair to analyze their response to a heated situation this way without also acknowledging that is the government/police turning up the temperature--not the protesters. to the extent there is blame to assign for "the way things are," it's one-sided
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Replying to @mgerrydoyle
I've lived through the Arab Spring and more, and there is no good grades at the end of the semester as a result of proper assigning of blame. Not my point. The issue here isn't why they're angry—that's obvious—but that they have no intervention mechanisms in challenging moments.
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Replying to @zeynep
but the issue *is* why they're angry, because that explains their behavior. they've been more or less peaceably dealing with police violence for months, and they have nothing to lose, so "intervention mechanisms" simply aren't a priority
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Replying to @mgerrydoyle @zeynep
there's already soul-searching in the movement about how yesterday could have been better handled; these kids aren't dumb. but I don't see it as illustrating any deep problems other than the obvious one that they're outgunned
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That will be a huge, sad mistake if they think their only problem is being outgunned because they will always be outgunned. Every modern state will outgun every political movement, practically speaking. No movement wins by not being outgunned. Anyway. Sad moment.
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Replying to @zeynep @mgerrydoyle
all these movements have only got as far as they have thanks to modern technology, yet the modern technology is not helping create lasting solutions. It curates motivation, but not solutions. Until technology can provide solutions, these movements will only get so far...
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