indeed—there is a reflexive impulse to insist that victims, or the powerless, must be pure. it’s possible, and even likely, to make mistakes and still be entirely in the righthttps://twitter.com/bokane/status/1161266150329765891 …
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Replying to @mgerrydoyle
But the events reveal not just being "less than completely perfect" or some lack of tactical savvy (both of which arguably so) but a deeper, different issue, and if this movement doesn't honestly confront and find an effective way out, they cannot function against what they face.
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Replying to @zeynep
what deeper, different issue does it reveal? they were angry at discovering a cop and propagandist in their midst... how should they have reacted?
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Replying to @mgerrydoyle
They have no mechanism for intervening in a situation that was in the brink of turning deadly, and besides all the obvious moral issues, no movement can survive that against a tough adversary. They also cannot win street battles (hope it never comes to that but they cannot).
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Replying to @zeynep
so the deeper issue is they can't win? I think you've put your finger on why they've responded the way they have in the face of an increasingly violent state: they have nothing to lose, and thus no reason to stop fighting
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Replying to @mgerrydoyle
That's not what happened though. It wasn't a nothing-to-lose moment/decision. (In fact, very soon after the police sirens were even heard, the departure barricade scattered and disappeared within super quickly--they had no appetite for fighting or defending it.)
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Replying to @zeynep @mgerrydoyle
Are you sure that's not about getting cut off on an island after the last train?
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Replying to @the__dude98 @mgerrydoyle
Yes I am sure because it was way earlier than that. And it wasn't the first time I witnessed that.
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Replying to @zeynep @mgerrydoyle
Maybe that's because it wasn't defend-able
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It was. There wasn't even an attempt.
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Replying to @zeynep @mgerrydoyle
This fits the guerrilla tactics that certain group of protesters has been pushing & employing, spread them out & tire them out. From a purely law enforcement perspective, it’s easy to see why HKPF thought it’s necessary to infiltrate and arrest what they deem radical elements.
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