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Complex systems, wicked problems. Society, technology, science and more. @UNC professor. @NYTimes columnist. My newsletter is @insight: http://www.theinsight.org 

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    1. Gerry Doyle‏ @mgerrydoyle 13 Aug 2019

      Gerry Doyle Retweeted Brendan O'Kane

      indeed—there is a reflexive impulse to insist that victims, or the powerless, must be pure. it’s possible, and even likely, to make mistakes and still be entirely in the righthttps://twitter.com/bokane/status/1161266150329765891 …

      Gerry Doyle added,

      Brendan O'Kane @bokane
      Thread. There are people I love and respect who are effectively siding with the PRC government just because they find the protestors to be less than completely perfect. It’s hard not to think much less of them for that. https://twitter.com/XinqiSu/status/1161263788315648005 …
      2 replies 12 retweets 48 likes
    2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 13 Aug 2019
      Replying to @mgerrydoyle

      But the events reveal not just being "less than completely perfect" or some lack of tactical savvy (both of which arguably so) but a deeper, different issue, and if this movement doesn't honestly confront and find an effective way out, they cannot function against what they face.

      1 reply 3 retweets 10 likes
    3. Gerry Doyle‏ @mgerrydoyle 13 Aug 2019
      Replying to @zeynep

      what deeper, different issue does it reveal? they were angry at discovering a cop and propagandist in their midst... how should they have reacted?

      3 replies 0 retweets 3 likes
    4. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 13 Aug 2019
      Replying to @mgerrydoyle

      They have no mechanism for intervening in a situation that was in the brink of turning deadly, and besides all the obvious moral issues, no movement can survive that against a tough adversary. They also cannot win street battles (hope it never comes to that but they cannot).

      3 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    5. Gerry Doyle‏ @mgerrydoyle 13 Aug 2019
      Replying to @zeynep

      so the deeper issue is they can't win? I think you've put your finger on why they've responded the way they have in the face of an increasingly violent state: they have nothing to lose, and thus no reason to stop fighting

      3 replies 0 retweets 5 likes
    6. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 13 Aug 2019
      Replying to @mgerrydoyle

      That's not what happened though. It wasn't a nothing-to-lose moment/decision. (In fact, very soon after the police sirens were even heard, the departure barricade scattered and disappeared within super quickly--they had no appetite for fighting or defending it.)

      2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
    7. The Dude‏ @the__dude98 13 Aug 2019
      Replying to @zeynep @mgerrydoyle

      Are you sure that's not about getting cut off on an island after the last train?

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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 13 Aug 2019
      Replying to @the__dude98 @mgerrydoyle

      Yes I am sure because it was way earlier than that. And it wasn't the first time I witnessed that.

      5:58 PM - 13 Aug 2019
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        2. The Dude‏ @the__dude98 13 Aug 2019
          Replying to @zeynep @mgerrydoyle

          Maybe that's because it wasn't defend-able

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        3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 13 Aug 2019
          Replying to @the__dude98 @mgerrydoyle

          It was. There wasn't even an attempt.

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
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