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    zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 29 Jun 2019

    More clues to the profit-driven disintegration of the safety cuture for Boeing Max issues. It's not that these offshore software developers were necessarily bad coders (despite being cheaper)—it's that this kind of outsourcing doesn't optimize for safety. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-06-28/boeing-s-737-max-software-outsourced-to-9-an-hour-engineers …

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      2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 30 Jun 2019

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        Outsourced "contract" workers cannot raise necessary issues—they aren't part of the whole process or aviation experts, and their jobs are precarious. Also, the outsourcing here is important as a symptom—seems these people didn't even work on the MCAS. https://twitter.com/HenriqueOz/status/1145054607200202753 …

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      3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 30 Jun 2019

        The Boeing Max case is important because it's a tragic example of how AI/automation/code crises will actually occur. It won't be Terminator coming back from the future to hunt O'connor. It will be regular corporations or governments using code/AI as they seek profit or control.

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      2. DrumWhacker (Claire)‏ @girlhitsdrum 29 Jun 2019
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      3. Justin Yarbrough‏ @FatElvis04 29 Jun 2019
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        Yeah, I saw that yesterday. Everything I've seen points out that those outsourced programmers didn't work on MCAS, the system that caused both crashes.

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      2. next_ghost  💉 💉 💉‏ @next_ghost_cz 30 Jun 2019
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        The point is that outsourcing the job makes it really hard for software developers to ask uncomfortable questions about underlying hardware design and raise safety alarms (because they could easily lose the contract).

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      1. 司徒‏ @szetoinsitu 29 Jun 2019
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        Think of the shareholder value!

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      1. SteveBrant‏ @SteveBrant 29 Jun 2019
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        Dear @Captsully You might be interested in this #BoeingMax story. Software developed by cheap, offshore suppliers? Yikes! #ProfitBeforeSafety 😢 @maddow @Lawrence

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      1. Andrew Lilley Brinker‏ @alilleybrinker 29 Jun 2019
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        Yes! Keep the attention on the structural reality. Don't demonize the workers living under it. They do their best within the culture and demands placed on them.

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      2. David Gatson‏ @dlgatson 29 Jun 2019
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        You get what you pay for

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      3. Lisa Bari  💉 😷‏ @lisabari 1 Jul 2019
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        But that’s exactly not true here. The entire culture of safety vs. profit is skewed. It wouldn’t necessarily have been different if the offshore engineers were paid $30 or $300/hour. The structure/management processes are the problem. The lack of accountability is wrong.

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