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Complex systems, wicked problems. Society, technology, science and more. @UNC professor. @NYTimes columnist. My newsletter is @insight: http://www.theinsight.org 

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    1. houston climate houser‏ @zoyamiddleton 23 May 2019

      houston climate houser Retweeted Benedict Evans

      this thread is fascinating. @zeynep contributions are SO critical. and the fact that it's taking place on twitter with its weird relationship between wealth and power is well...interestinghttps://twitter.com/benedictevans/status/1127280727475679232 …

      houston climate houser added,

      Benedict EvansVerified account @benedictevans
      Tech monopolies tend not to fall like Rome. They fall like Venice. They’re still there, and no-one actually invades them, but the trade routes moved, the things that gave them power and wealth stop mattering, and they become just another city, and then a backwater.
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    2. Benedict Evans‏Verified account @benedictevans 23 May 2019
      Replying to @zoyamiddleton @zeynep

      I'm afraid I remain genuinely baffled that anyone seriously argues Microsoft has retained any of its market power at all. There's just no rational basis for such an argument. It's up there with 'Amazon loses money' as a misconception

      1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
    3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 23 May 2019
      Replying to @benedictevans @zoyamiddleton

      I have been forced to use Microsoft products —forced— in every job I’ve had for decades. Never seen an institution really escape it except a few (that escaped to Google products—hardly an upstart!). How is that not power?

      1 reply 2 retweets 15 likes
    4. Benedict Evans‏Verified account @benedictevans 23 May 2019
      Replying to @zeynep @zoyamiddleton

      The UK tax system runs on DEC. How much power does DEC have? You need water - does the water company control you? Microsoft has lots of customers. It doesn't set any agenda. It doesn't set standards. People don't worry what it'll do. Startups don't ask 'would Microsoft block us?'

      2 replies 0 retweets 7 likes
    5. Farooq Butt‏ @fmbutt 23 May 2019
      Replying to @benedictevans @zeynep @zoyamiddleton

      You can be huge and unavoidable and yet unimportant.

      2 replies 0 retweets 3 likes
    6. Benedict Evans‏Verified account @benedictevans 23 May 2019
      Replying to @fmbutt @zeynep @zoyamiddleton

      I have to buy electricity. How much power does the power company have? I

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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 23 May 2019
      Replying to @benedictevans @fmbutt @zoyamiddleton

      You are basically defining a monopolistic hold though, with the comparison to electricity. MSFT is printing money, plus defining my work experience. It’s not Facebook with cultural power—that was never its lane—but it shows how monopolies don’t just fade, as per your first tweet.

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        2. Darrin Lim‏ @darrinlim 23 May 2019
          Replying to @zeynep @benedictevans and

          I've noticed that arguments between the two of you are often due to viewing things from different contexts. Benedict is right that MS is no longer relevant in a world context, but Zeynep also right in that MS still has massive power within its enterprise software sphere

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        1. Marcelo P. Lima‏ @MarceloPLima 23 May 2019
          Replying to @zeynep @benedictevans and

          MSFT was in every job you’ve had the same way the light bulb was. It became a standard. But the same way there are different lightbulbs you could buy, there are plenty of alternatives to Microsoft’s products. It’s no monopoly.

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