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Complex systems, wicked problems. Society, technology, science and more. @UNC professor. @NYTimes columnist. My newsletter is @insight: http://www.theinsight.org 

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    1. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 12 May 2019

      Decades of research shows job training programs don't work at scale because of lack of *supply* of appropriate good jobs. There are always nice learned-to-code stories (I'm one: started coding as a kid and it literally saved my life) but those don't scale.https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/12/us/mined-minds-west-virginia-coding.html …

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    2. Mark Grim‏ @MarkCGrim 12 May 2019
      Replying to @zeynep

      This looks familiar 🤔pic.twitter.com/leqmlwq4MC

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    3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 12 May 2019
      Replying to @MarkCGrim

      I have actually witnessed (very well-meaning!) tech volunteers decide to teach, I kid you not, Linux, to recent immigrants with maybe a passing level of literacy in Spanish, let alone English. Why Linux? It's open source, unlike evil proprietary software. Anyway, *laughs* *cries*

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    4. Canary in a coal mine | Greek God Kassandra‏ @Zentwittee 13 May 2019
      Replying to @zeynep @MarkCGrim

      I am a volunteer instructor teaching computer skills to recent immigrants who didn't even know how to use a mouse can be done Everybody can be a genius if you spend enough time in a topic

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    5. Canary in a coal mine | Greek God Kassandra‏ @Zentwittee 13 May 2019
      Replying to @Zentwittee @zeynep @MarkCGrim

      I told them if I want to play basketball like Michael Jordan, I would have to practice 12 hours a day for the next 10 years I teach my immigrant students who can barely speak English, mostly mothers who also worked at least one job, far different then my college students

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    6. Canary in a coal mine | Greek God Kassandra‏ @Zentwittee 13 May 2019
      Replying to @Zentwittee @zeynep @MarkCGrim

      Examples of students' works: A letter that required them to type the letter, format, and email as an attachment A flyerpic.twitter.com/I3deGwRdUS

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    7. Canary in a coal mine | Greek God Kassandra‏ @Zentwittee 13 May 2019
      Replying to @Zentwittee @zeynep @MarkCGrim

      This was done on 4/9/2019, first day of class was on 2/12/2019

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    8. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 13 May 2019
      Replying to @Zentwittee @MarkCGrim

      That's fine, and good for you for volunteering. These are very basic skills everyone should have. What do you think are the job prospects and pay for the ability to type an format a document and attach it to an email?

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    9. Canary in a coal mine | Greek God Kassandra‏ @Zentwittee 14 May 2019
      Replying to @zeynep @MarkCGrim

      The jobs are office clerk, data entry, receptionist, etc, or other skilled professional such as medical supports that required further training Shown they can learn highly complex tasks using a computer in 2 months, & can be taught to do programming I bet you can't do the flyer

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    10. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 14 May 2019
      Replying to @Zentwittee @MarkCGrim

      Your assertions are refuted by research, job stats and even common sense. I've done long-term follow-up with immigrant trainees with exact such skills looking for exact such jobs (part of dissertation). Not a single one landed such a job, and they weren't even in Appalachia

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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 14 May 2019
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      The idea that the ability to put together a flyer opens up jobs to immigrants, let alone well-paying jobs, at any real scale (you can find examples but not at scale) is just false. It's still good to teach and have such skills. It's not a path to jobs. Also not a path to coding.

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        1. Canary in a coal mine | Greek God Kassandra‏ @Zentwittee 14 May 2019
          Replying to @zeynep @MarkCGrim

          As someone trained many of the 1st gen Asians in the #SiliconValley in the 1990s, most had never touch a computer, a few couldn't tell a toaster from computer, one was a bank teller in his homeland They are now in c-suites and dominated the #SiliconValley and #tech

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