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Complex systems, wicked problems. Society, technology, science and more. @UNC professor. @NYTimes columnist. My newsletter is @insight: http://www.theinsight.org 

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    3. Kim A. Bøe‏ @kimaboe 13 May 2019
      Replying to @jbraunstein914 @zeynep

      So, you’re saying that the white people who were privileged enough to afford the trip from Europe made it, the rest were stuck and suffered. Not counting the millions who failed to find the promised fortune, and had to work for years just to afford the return ticket, of course.

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    5. Kim A. Bøe‏ @kimaboe 13 May 2019
      Replying to @jbraunstein914 @zeynep

      If they could afford to relocate, and were able to take their families, they were by definition more privileged than those who did not. But I'm pretty much just making fun of your weird comparison between the people in the article and European peasants from the 1800s.

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    6. Kim A. Bøe‏ @kimaboe 13 May 2019
      Replying to @kimaboe @jbraunstein914 @zeynep

      The article is about people who were promised skills and local jobs, they received neither. Saying "they aren't willing to relocate" is missing the point by a cross-atlantic steamer trip when they never learned to code in the first place.

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    7. Kim A. Bøe‏ @kimaboe 13 May 2019
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      But either way, the fact of the matter is, once you are in your late 30s or 40s, with children who have friends or families of their own, you no longer have the mobility to move across country for a entry-level job. Poor or not it is not a smart decision.

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    9. Kim A. Bøe‏ @kimaboe 13 May 2019
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      The thing is, there are a lot of jobs that could have been created with the money the state gave the bootcamp folks. Good quality jobs. There are people there, strengthen the public sector, hire a teacher for their kids, invest in culture, give people a reason to stick around.

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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 13 May 2019
      Replying to @jbraunstein914 @kimaboe

      Teaching, pre-K to K-12 so the next gen has a chance. Care work--there is a lot of need there, and it's unfortunately terribly-paid. Infrastructure is also huge. Just those two would be huge. Also, once you have some core industries, those people spend money on other stuff.

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        1. Kim A. Bøe‏ @kimaboe 13 May 2019
          Replying to @zeynep @jbraunstein914

          This. If you live in a small town, and you want to stick around because it is a good place for your kids, you start your own business without waiting for some outside investment. That is what small business loans and modest ambitions are for.

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        2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 13 May 2019
          Replying to @zeynep @jbraunstein914 @kimaboe

          Those are neither minor numbers nor is it make-work. The need is absolutely there. The society just spends money on other stuff. Once there is some money flowing in, who knows what else might take off? A lot of those regions are beautiful with plentiful resources.

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        3. Kim A. Bøe‏ @kimaboe 13 May 2019
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          And if it is done well, those kids who *did* move away to get that degree might just want to come back when it is time to start a family. I see this a lot with the small island community I am from. That is because of a serious, dedicated effort towards culture, sports, schools.

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