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    1. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 12 May 2019

      Decades of research shows job training programs don't work at scale because of lack of *supply* of appropriate good jobs. There are always nice learned-to-code stories (I'm one: started coding as a kid and it literally saved my life) but those don't scale.https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/12/us/mined-minds-west-virginia-coding.html …

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    2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 12 May 2019

      I have seen many, many "teach computers to poor people" efforts over the year and studied them in my disseration. My most common observation is that they are wasting people's time and should just give people the money directly. Focus should be on living wage for realistic jobs.

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    3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 12 May 2019

      I don't discount the occasional success story, and I think there are a significant number of reasonable online resources for the few people who might be inclined & actually able to take this path. It just isn't a realistic path out of poverty in places like the one in this piece.

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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 12 May 2019

      I've seen "teach-them-code" efforts run by grifters. I've seen them them run by very well meaning people. I think there is some value in coding bootcamps, especially already well-positioned people to switch careers. It just isn't and won't ever be a way out of poverty at scale.

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        2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 12 May 2019

          Meanwhile, I'm about to visit a family now homeless after the dad had an accident at work requiring surgery and time off work. That's it. Family tumbled into homelessness. Living wages plus healthcare, not false hope, is what this country needs. Look for the gofundme soon, sigh.

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        3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 12 May 2019

          Oh the lack of healthcare in this country! One work injury to the dad, and this family fell into homelessness. Living out of their van. The kids are so tired at school. 😢 Help us raise funds to get them back into regular housing and back on their feet.https://www.gofundme.com/f/1mwcyeidhc 

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        4. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 12 May 2019

          Also, if Dany was going to lose her mind, she could have *flown* directly to Red Keep. Can’t believe dragons flying around burning stuff became a timefiller. I recommend helping this family not live in a van anymore to help stop thinking about plot holes.https://www.gofundme.com/1mwcyeidhc 

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        2. "mjfshoulderdemon"‏ @mjfgates 12 May 2019
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          IT *destroys* jobs, if it works. One guy writes a neat system for data entry, and the company goes from keypunch operators to five. Five guys write a database that leaves twenty clerks out on the street. This is what all this computer stuff is FOR.

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        1. M. Fioretti‏ @mfioretti_en 12 May 2019
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          "isn't and won't ever be a way out of poverty at scale." +1, But also PLEASE let's stress that there is exactly the same limit, for same reason, in every illusion that THIS wave of #automation/tech #unemployment, so fast and wide, can ever be solved by "upskilling/retraining"

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        2. Quentin Hardy‏Verified account @qhardy 12 May 2019
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          I've been trying to think of anything well-paying you could learn in 16 weeks, given a very basic high school education as a background. Army medic transiting to nursing maybe, but even medic training can run as long as 68 weeks.

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        3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 12 May 2019
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          Yeah. Nursing programs are hard to get into and require a lot of commitment. Similarly, the amount of remedial background work you need just to get started learning coding after crappy K-12 is a lot. And these people cannot just put everything aside for a year and survive.

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