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    1. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 13 Mar 2019

      Is there a writeup for why Boeing Max planes are grounded rather making sure all pilots are up to speed—since even if this is same issue as Lion Air the problem is behavior wasn't documented? Grounding planes is a drastic measure that may well lead to many deaths from driving.

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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 13 Mar 2019

      One key tenent of safety culture is that alternatives have to be weighed for all decisions, and while two plane crashes five months apart is worthy of a very very serious investigations, it's still a super rare event. Will the grounding result in more driving is a real question.

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        1. Estarianne, BS, MA, A.N.T.I.F.A.  👩🏼‍💻‏ @estarianne 13 Mar 2019
          Replying to @zeynep

          I think the risk is that any even minor issue with the plane would be magnified if they kept flying.

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        2. Justin Darisse‏ @jusdar 13 Mar 2019
          Replying to @zeynep

          How many deaths from driving are likely from grounding a plane that is only a small portion of an airline's fleet? Likely passengers will be accommodated on other flights with non-MAX planes; they won't be driving.

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        3. Justin Darisse‏ @jusdar 13 Mar 2019
          Replying to @jusdar @zeynep

          Also, the majority of 737-MAX routes in the U.S. seem to be long distance--NY to Miami, transcontinental or to Hawaii or the Caribbean. Again, most passengers will just find other flights, not drive.

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        1. Rain‏ @rainerickson 13 Mar 2019
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          They have lots of reports of problems from pilots with the auto pilot software doing a "nose down". They have a software upgrade that was supposed to be rolled out in January but the govt shut down (yes. Trump's temper tantrum.) delayed it.

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        2. M. Kei (he/him) WEAR A MASK‏ @kujakupoet 13 Mar 2019
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          Everybody keeps ignoring the reports of 5 different pilots over the last few months that they had unexpected difficulty controlling the plane. 2 accidents does not a pattern make, but 5 near-misses certainly does.

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        3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 13 Mar 2019
          Replying to @kujakupoet

          They weren’t near misses from the reports.

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        1. Doug Johnson Hatlem‏ @djjohnso 13 Mar 2019
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          Between the two crashes and these 5 similar complaints in US alone from October and November, this seems like the right call. A temporary grounding until this problem is fixed ... don't know why that's controversial at all. https://www.dallasnews.com/business/airlines/2019/03/12/boeing-737-max-8-pilots-complained-feds-months-suspected-safety-flaw …

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        2. Micheál‏ @Nameless_Weevil 13 Mar 2019
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          Ethiopian Airlines has said that the pilot of the crashed flight was appraised of the last bulletin about the 737 Max's nose dive behaviour so perhaps the belief is that the malfunction is not recoverable in all circumstances.

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        1. Incontinentia B‏ @latteine 13 Mar 2019
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          Do people actually drive the distances these planes are meant for?

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