Hmm maybe you should talk with some of our students because you’re simply wrong, there’s no two ways about it
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Zeynep, "creaming" is bad, but that's not what Lambda does. I'm sorry if the story confused. This grad shows what "motivated student" means: "I was circling the drain of poverty, and now my entire financial situation has changed for the rest of my life." https://youtu.be/NnujqB66xBo
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Even in the thread, I note that coding bootcamps help some people (great!) and post-tuition is appropriate. My point is that the idea that something like that can scale up and make money without creaming is just not realistic—this isn't some unstudied, uncharted problem.
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Thanks, I admire your work and appreciate your response. Perhaps there’s a scaling limit? But we haven’t hit it yet. Because of the ISA, Lambda is 2-3x longer than bootcamps, with more diverse students:https://twitter.com/austenallred/status/1005118892669222912 …
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Your program trains few thousand students total per year? And you only accept students that can attend every class? That's a tiny number and attendance requirement is textbook creaming. (It's the main way most job training programs cream). I've no objection FOR THAT TINY SLICE.
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Discussing a program with few thousand as a solution to the student debt problem, or the even the incentive-alignment problem (which is true for the predatory for-profit sector) is ... mind blowing. You need something that scales to tens of millions, that's just college age. +
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+and as for job-training/bridge program with age groups, there are literally decades of findings that they don't work at scale, and the reasons are not secret. They don't work at scale even when free. OTOH, almost any selective, small program can work if you take very few.
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Ryan Herr 🪕 Retweeted Austen Allred
I wish the Times had space to share all of our student stories! But Austen's tweeting a thread now. Lambda invests in overlooked and underestimated people. Not "the already well-placed", "those who'd almost certainly be fine anyway."https://twitter.com/AustenAllred/status/1082815326960533504 …
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Austen Allred @AustenA lot of talk about Lambda School today, and most of it I'll ignore. One I'm going to respond to - that Lambda School is "creaming" - removing the best students from other schools and locking them into ISAs. This is a tweetstorm full of student stories, so buckle up.Show this thread1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
I didn’t say removing the best students from other schools! But I read your who we accept material—and it’s textbook creaming. Even that, you accept very few. We already have an amazing thing in this country: community colleges. They take everyone. They’re woefully underfunded.
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You said "it doesn't work except for the already well-placed. (Your engineer or chemist who goes to coding boot-camp to switch tracks)" But Lambda works. Not just for chemists! For retail, restaurant, factory workers. Single parents. Dropouts. Homeless. It's been life changing.
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