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Complex systems, wicked problems. Society, technology, science and more. @UNC professor. @NYTimes columnist. My newsletter is @insight: http://www.theinsight.org 

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    2. Austen Allred‏ @Austen 8 Jan 2019
      Replying to @zeynep

      Hmm maybe you should talk with some of our students because you’re simply wrong, there’s no two ways about it

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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 8 Jan 2019
      Replying to @Austen @AustenAllred

      This model could work for a small number, but my point is that's the population that's best poised to do well anyway. Like coding boot camps. If you want to really help with the crisis, accept anyone who'd get into a community college. That would help with everything.

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        2. Austen Allred‏ @Austen 8 Jan 2019
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          You’re fundamentally wrong. Our bread and butter is people who have been looked over by society. We don’t give a shit about how much money you have, where you live, what your GPA or work history looks like. We find people who can handle the learning curve and that’s it.

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        3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 8 Jan 2019
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          And I'm telling you that the people "who can handle the learning curve" are a particular slice that isn't going to scale up, and I'm happy for them but they would probably be fine in community colleges, too. The obstacles are complex and well-studied.

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        2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 8 Jan 2019
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          Coding bootcamps are great for a small slice. I love MOOCs for myself. There's a place for focused vocational-training for a few. But the article's talking about you scaling up to address the student debt crisis. And I'm telling you, that problem isn't among that slice.

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        3. S◎ham Bhatia  🧢 ☀️‏ @sohambhatia 8 Jan 2019
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          You got her shook 😂😂😂

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        2. Prezntval‏ @Prezntval 8 Jan 2019
          Replying to @zeynep @AustenAllred

          Instead of anecdotal data, why not provide her (us) some stats to show how students benefit from your model over other ed options?? Seems reasonable.

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        3. Prezntval‏ @Prezntval 8 Jan 2019
          Replying to @Prezntval @zeynep @AustenAllred

          What % of students get a job in field that meets your min payback req? Is % increasing?

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        2. dan nguyen‏Verified account @dancow 8 Jan 2019
          Replying to @zeynep @AustenAllred

          To be fair, framing Lambda's model against the student debt crisis seems to be the NYT's angle. I haven't followed everything that Lambda/Allred says, but seems like their PR makes narrower claims about improving developer education https://lambdaschool.com/blog/lambda-school-announces-14-million-series-a-led-by-gv/ …pic.twitter.com/luQvgbFOPJ

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        3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 8 Jan 2019
          Replying to @dancow @AustenAllred

          I've no problem with coding bootcamps or schools. Current CS education is in a weird place. Too much of some things probably not necessary, not enough of a lot of other very necessary things etc. Lots of people can learn to code enough to get a job, for now, without a CS degree.

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        2. Alex Carter  🤷‍♂️‏ @AlexCartaz 8 Jan 2019
          Replying to @zeynep @AustenAllred

          Lambda does help overlooked ppl and ppl who don’t make much money. They are a new small business and while they have plans to scale they can’t tackle the addressable market of every potential community college student immediately.

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        3. Alex Carter  🤷‍♂️‏ @AlexCartaz 8 Jan 2019
          Replying to @AlexCartaz @zeynep @AustenAllred

          Lambda has a lot of potential to scale, and ultimately will likely help many potential community college folks (and state and elite college students as its faster to employment and more affordable)

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