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Complex systems, wicked problems. Society, technology, science and more. @UNC professor. @NYTimes columnist. My newsletter is @insight: http://www.theinsight.org 

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    1. Nate Silver‏Verified account @NateSilver538 20 Dec 2018
      Replying to @zeynep

      Your argument is lacking in any sort of systematic evidence, at all. If you think impression counts are an imperfect measure -- and surely they are -- then come up with something better.

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    2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 20 Dec 2018
      Replying to @NateSilver538

      The mere count and placement of DNC hack stories, alone, would be a pretty strong metric. It dominated media plus displaced other stuff. As with anything complex, it's a complex story but just that one is their operation—though obviously "the patient" had very weak immune system.

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    3. Nate Silver‏Verified account @NateSilver538 20 Dec 2018
      Replying to @zeynep

      You're -- deliberately? -- confusing two things. The DNC hack could well have been important. There's no evidence that Russian shitposts on Instagram mattered much, though.

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    4. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 20 Dec 2018
      Replying to @NateSilver538

      Not separable. The DNC hack was very much supported by massive operation on social media. It was almost all you'd see in some corners, mostly as screenshots with false claims that went viral. Plus, yep, mass media got played. Hence my call for looking at ecology, not percentages.

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    5. Nate Silver‏Verified account @NateSilver538 20 Dec 2018
      Replying to @zeynep

      I put "you have to look at the whole ecology" into my Google Academese translator and it came out as "I don't have any evidence".

      17 replies 3 retweets 42 likes
    6. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 20 Dec 2018
      Replying to @NateSilver538

      Okay! Keep looking at percent of tweets as a good metric for impact—and doctors should weigh viruses/bacteria as percent of bodymass to decide on impact and not look at how it impacts body/immune system (aka the whole ecology) . Good luck, to you and Dr. Google. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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    7. Brendan Nyhan‏Verified account @BrendanNyhan 20 Dec 2018
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      I'm open to these claims, but they ultimately need to generate testable hypotheses or we're not doing science. We have testable hypotheses about viruses and the immune system!

      7 replies 4 retweets 71 likes
    8. Brendan Nyhan‏Verified account @BrendanNyhan 20 Dec 2018
      Replying to @BrendanNyhan @zeynep @NateSilver538

      Right now claims about low-volume social media operations having big systemic effects lack credible supporting evidence or even specific claims that could be tested.

      11 replies 15 retweets 79 likes
    9. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 20 Dec 2018
      Replying to @BrendanNyhan @NateSilver538

      Many complex systems & past events can't have simple testable hypotheses and refusing to study them would not be good. This isn't even a scial science problem. Geology manages. Also, as I keep arguing, the DNC hack and aftermath is part of this so some impacts are face-value big.

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    10. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 20 Dec 2018
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      Plus, I'm increasingly wondering if it is that low-volume. (See here, which is, almost by definition an undercount since we only know what's been uncovered). At the moment, anything we can measure is a modest estimate for floor since it was covert. https://twitter.com/antoniogm/status/1075854442191175680 …)

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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 20 Dec 2018
      Replying to @zeynep @BrendanNyhan @NateSilver538

      Once again, though, my MAIN argument is that Nate's metric: percent of social media posts, is not strong. Social media is characterized by interaction, feedback loops, mainstream media interaction, narrative shifting, meme-copying etc. % originating is not a decisive measure.

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        2. Nate Silver‏Verified account @NateSilver538 20 Dec 2018
          Replying to @zeynep @BrendanNyhan

          My quick-and-dirty metric is actually social media *impressions*, not posts. The Russian troll posts constituted a *lower* share of impressions than posts, which really cuts AGAINST your hypothesis (i.e. they punched below their weight rather than going viral).

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        3. Som‏ @SomNaderi 20 Dec 2018
          Replying to @NateSilver538 @zeynep @BrendanNyhan

          I don’t follow this percentage of impressions argument at all. Surely all impressions aren’t weighted equally in terms of retention and effect...? One billion cat impressions vs one thousand “Proof that Hillary endangered a million school kids!” surely aren’t comparable...?

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        1. *puts on flower crown, falls into a faerie circle*‏ @Klezmerstyle 20 Dec 2018
          Replying to @zeynep @BrendanNyhan @NateSilver538

          1. someone needs to make this discussion into an American Choppers meme, pronto 2. joking aside, this is a fascinating discussion and very much worth having. A veritable Talmudic "controversy for the sake of Heaven." I respect you both very much!

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        1. arm yourself against virus and bacteria‏ @toddkaufmann 20 Dec 2018
          Replying to @zeynep @BrendanNyhan @NateSilver538

          Many (inconsequential) hikers passed the trail previously, But a couple triggered an avalanche when conditions were right.

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        1. Andrew Boysen‏ @boysenandrew 20 Dec 2018
          Replying to @zeynep @BrendanNyhan @NateSilver538

          My Twitter feed right now: Nate: strong claim, weak evidence Zeynep: evidence doesn't support claim Nate: admits evidence weak, but thinks claim remains true until proven false by Zeynep Zeynep: that's not how this works Nate: silly girl, strong claim, weak evidence

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        2. Judy Brown‏ @judykrausbrown 20 Dec 2018
          Replying to @zeynep @BrendanNyhan @NateSilver538

          Also there is no way any of you can measure: Aunt June read some bad information on her social media feed and then went to her aqua aerobics class & said something about it to the 6 people there, like Linda, who at Bunko two nights later repeated it to 16 people there etc etc

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        3. Judy Brown‏ @judykrausbrown 20 Dec 2018
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          I have been hearing crazy right wing stuff from my brother-in-law for over 20 years now and I only recently figured out that duh he mainly got this stuff online Only a few years ago experts were disputing the idea that ppl could get radicalized online. I think we know better now

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