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Complex systems, wicked problems. Society, technology, science and more. @UNC professor. @NYTimes columnist. My newsletter is @insight: http://www.theinsight.org 

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    1. Nate Silver‏Verified account @NateSilver538 20 Dec 2018

      Nate Silver Retweeted zeynep tufekci

      This is getting dangerously close to an unfalsifiable hypothesis. If reporters hugely amplified narratives put forward by Russian trolls, let's see some actual *evidence* of that.https://twitter.com/zeynep/status/1075835506842202112 …

      Nate Silver added,

      zeynep tufekciVerified account @zeynep
      A topic that just doesn't lend itself to such isolated statistical analyses. That's not how culture or politics operates. Take the 0.1% at face value. Example: What if that led reporters to amplify narratives which colored the whole election? (I think that happened in parts). https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1074848968188796930 …
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    2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 20 Dec 2018
      Replying to @NateSilver538

      DNC hack+surrounding info-ops—yes, media is part of it but that's my point. "Bernie-bro" stories—amplified by faux "Bernie bros" deliberately harrassing journos. Those alone are enough to plausibly result in a different president. (Yes so are many other factors. Close election).

      5 replies 2 retweets 58 likes
      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 20 Dec 2018
      Replying to @zeynep @NateSilver538

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted Jody Shenn

      There were many many examples like this. Troll accounts pushed narratives and succeded often enough, which then gave way to further organic spread because there's a feedback loop here.https://twitter.com/JodyShenn/status/1075837885541171200 …

      zeynep tufekci added,

      Jody Shenn @JodyShenn
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        2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 20 Dec 2018
          Replying to @zeynep @NateSilver538

          Point is, you can't get any of this by looking at percent of tweets/social media posts made directly by professional RU troll accounts—which is what I'm objecting to. Can't definitely establish counterfactual causality about past event, but can study how the ecology worked..

          4 replies 3 retweets 55 likes
        3. Jody Shenn‏ @JodyShenn 20 Dec 2018
          Replying to @zeynep @NateSilver538

          I wonder if Nate being in the business of measuring something that his own work can influence kinda causes a cognitive dissonance that damages his logic abilities

          0 replies 0 retweets 1 like
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        2. Jody Shenn‏ @JodyShenn 20 Dec 2018
          Replying to @zeynep @NateSilver538

          And (as I noted in other thread) some of the narrative-shaping power of the propaganda stemmed from it calling attention to actual real issues that the media was otherwise generally ignoring. So it’s complicated, systems are complex, but that doesn’t mean propaganda didn’t matter

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        3. Trying to be as good a person as my dog‏ @consDragon64 20 Dec 2018
          Replying to @JodyShenn @zeynep @NateSilver538

          It needs WAY more attention then it’s being given. Nate cavalierly writing it off isn’t helping.

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        2. Jody Shenn‏ @JodyShenn 20 Dec 2018

          I think that started with Bannon in some way, I read? Of course maybe there’s no separation between his work and Russia’s, based on widespread suspicions.

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        2. Fruzsina Eördögh‏Verified account @FruzsE 20 Dec 2018
          Replying to @zeynep @NateSilver538

          this is also forgetting instances like Pizzagate and the Seth Rich conspiracy, which was shared by trolls (both foreign & domestic). We can't measure the impact but we can see it IRL

          2 replies 0 retweets 4 likes
        3. Jody Shenn‏ @JodyShenn 20 Dec 2018
          Replying to @FruzsE @zeynep @NateSilver538

          PizzaGate is my favorite example! “Oh none of this stuff online really influences people...” The guy drove hours and hours intending to basically shoot up a pizza place!

          1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
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        1.  🎄Christmas Mustard 🎄‏ @z_mustard 20 Dec 2018
          Replying to @zeynep @NateSilver538

          "often enough" is doing a TON of work here

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        1. Matt Delisle‏ @dizzdangles 20 Dec 2018
          Replying to @zeynep @NateSilver538

          PREACH! it only takes a few thousand votes here or there to swing the result of a general election #rustbelt

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