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    1. Dean Eckles‏ @deaneckles 5 Dec 2018

      These kinds of headlines—"Here’s How Facebook’s Local News Algorithm Change Led To The Worst Riots Paris Has Seen In 50 Years"—and reporting largely unfounded and irresponsible. What about the evidence here is convincing?pic.twitter.com/3nQHqLVkAG

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    2. Dean Eckles‏ @deaneckles 5 Dec 2018

      Perhaps an example of bombast & overconfidence in reporting about Facebook @antoniogm (link: https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ryanhatesthis/france-paris-yellow-jackets-facebook …)

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    3. Brendan Nyhan‏Verified account @BrendanNyhan 5 Dec 2018
      Replying to @deaneckles @antoniogm

      Agree it's overstated but Facebook seemingly played a critical role, no? To me, how much the algorithm change affected the organizing of the groups and the resulting riots is a second order question compared to the role of the platform itself. (cc: @BuzzFeedBen @broderick)

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    4. Brendan Nyhan‏Verified account @BrendanNyhan 5 Dec 2018
      Replying to @BrendanNyhan @deaneckles and

      though, granted, the effect of the platform is a much harder one to answer

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    5. Ben Smith‏Verified account @benyt 5 Dec 2018
      Replying to @BrendanNyhan @deaneckles and

      The reporting in the story is pretty specific and compelling. Nobody is suggesting that it exists outside the context of French history and politics.

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    6. Dean Eckles‏ @deaneckles 5 Dec 2018
      Replying to @benyt @buzzfeedben and

      So these protests wouldn't be happening if there hadn't been this algorithm change? I don't see any reporting that provides evidence for that, except that there was a recent publicly announced algorithm change.

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    7. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 5 Dec 2018
      Replying to @deaneckles @buzzfeedben and

      "Ceteris paribus: these protests would not be happening if not for the algorithm change" is not a possible standard for evaluating human affairs barring multiple universes. How could you ever prove that? Reformation? Maybe happens without the printing press, too.

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    9. Ryan Broderick‏Verified account @broderick 6 Dec 2018
      Replying to @evanhill @evanchill and

      This movement literally started around a Facebook event. It's main symbol, the vest, comes from a random guy's viral Facebook video, the only coordination happening is being done in Facebook groups. There is no movement without Facebook.

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    10. Ben Smith‏Verified account @benyt 6 Dec 2018
      Replying to @broderick @evanchill and

      The story is so detailed and rich -- this isn't really a theoretical argument? Nobody is claiming it happened outside the context of French politics and history or that events are monocausal... but read the story! It's full of surprising news.

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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 6 Dec 2018
      Replying to @benyt @buzzfeedben and

      I find all the details important and enlightening. I don't like the title, but I hate 99% of the titles I encounter. 😬

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        2. Dean Eckles‏ @deaneckles 6 Dec 2018
          Replying to @zeynep @buzzfeedben and

          I agree I learned some facts from the article. But it also repeatedly makes causal claims about the role of Facebook and, more surprisingly, this particular algorithm change that strike me as not close to supported by the reporting.

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        3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 7 Dec 2018
          Replying to @deaneckles @buzzfeedben and

          I agree that the causal certainty is overwritten/claimed. I also find the latest algo changes to emphasize local/groups potentially consequential for movements—probably not to whether some sort of reaction would happen but to how it would play out.

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