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Complex systems, wicked problems. Society, technology, science and more. @UNC professor. @NYTimes columnist. My newsletter is @insight: http://www.theinsight.org 

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    1. Dean Eckles‏ @deaneckles 5 Dec 2018
      Replying to @zeynep @buzzfeedben and

      That's a trivial notion of causation in which a particular Lyft driver drove me home. It says nothing about whether I would have gotten home at basically the same time even if she hadn't been working.

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    2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 5 Dec 2018
      Replying to @deaneckles @buzzfeedben and

      Ah! Facebook isn't identical to any other communication platform; obviously telegraph to television is a big change. A Lyft driver to another is kinda like... one TV correspondent to to another. Facebook isn't just one more way. It clearly changes the road, if you will.

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    3. Dean Eckles‏ @deaneckles 5 Dec 2018
      Replying to @zeynep @buzzfeedben and

      Then you need to employ a notion of causation that involves counterfactuals, not just being part of the chain of events.

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    4. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 5 Dec 2018
      Replying to @deaneckles @buzzfeedben and

      And one can, but not "if one can't prove it wouldn't have happened without X, then X didn't matter." No experimental set-up possible to prove it. Well. Unless you are Facebook, and you can selectively tweak algorithms in countries to experiment. 😬 More like methods of history.

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    5. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 5 Dec 2018
      Replying to @zeynep @deaneckles and

      I also wish we had more robust experimental approaches, but when you consider what we *do* understand about human societies, historical examination of complex causal chains is a superb method. Only problem is cannot indisputably resolve; more like field convergence/consensus.

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    6. Dean Eckles‏ @deaneckles 5 Dec 2018
      Replying to @zeynep @buzzfeedben and

      I'm not suggesting radical skepticism about the methods of history. Rather, I think it is unfair to historians to liken their work to the quality of evidence and plausibility of claims in this article.

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    7. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 6 Dec 2018
      Replying to @deaneckles @buzzfeedben and

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      I’s agree that the piece is overwritten (part of the need to appeal to things that go viral—human/tech vulnerability). But Facebook algorithm change may well have pushed over the feedback loop and social media is the mileue. From ages ago: https://twitter.com/evanchill/status/1070516951099805696 …

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    8. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 6 Dec 2018
      Replying to @zeynep @deaneckles and

      I’m arguing against “it’s just a tool.”

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    9. Mathew Ingram‏Verified account @mathewi 6 Dec 2018
      Replying to @zeynep @deaneckles and

      More like an accelerant being poured on a fire

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    10. Ryan Broderick‏Verified account @broderick 6 Dec 2018
      Replying to @mathewi @zeynep and

      Literally every facet of this movement is being crowdsourced via Facebook. The unions just threw in their support. Without Facebook, of course people would have protested Macron, he's hated. But a national protest materialized in 10 days off the back of one Facebook event.

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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 6 Dec 2018
      Replying to @broderick @deaneckles and

      And that has speed-to-scale has a lot of consequences to movements. It may be one of many possible paths in different universes, but in this particular one, it is *the* path and its features matter a great deal. (I wrote a whole book about just that so... 😬 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ )

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