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    1. Tony Garnock-Jones‏ @leastfixedpoint 18 Oct 2018
      Replying to @leastfixedpoint @mrgunn and

      Or, I mean, I'd love to hear the argument in favour of such a requirement.

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    2. Dr. Gunn‏ @mrgunn 18 Oct 2018
      Replying to @leastfixedpoint @danstillman and

      In the assessment of the team, either encryption or modification of the DB was necessary and the dev team chose encryption +API as the best choice, because it provides a pathway to future support, even as the underlying DB structure changes.

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    3. Tony Garnock-Jones‏ @leastfixedpoint 18 Oct 2018
      Replying to @mrgunn @danstillman and

      Yes, you said, but I can't see how they can possibly have come to that conclusion. I think that's what's perplexing people, the unanswered question of why the change seemed warranted. No other database program has done anything comparable to my knowledge.

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    4. Dr. Gunn‏ @mrgunn 18 Oct 2018
      Replying to @leastfixedpoint @danstillman and

      I wish I could give you more clarity about this, but I will say that Mendeley is different in terms of what is in the DB. Hopefully Mendeley will eventually do that blog post.

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    5. Dan Stillman‏ @danstillman 18 Oct 2018
      Replying to @mrgunn @leastfixedpoint and

      This is hand-wavy nonsense. It’s a DB of bibliographic data and notes. Even email clients, with generally far more sensitive materials, don’t encrypt their local databases. The OS does. The only reason to do this is to prevent programs like Zotero from directly accessing the DB.

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    6. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 18 Oct 2018
      Replying to @danstillman @mrgunn and

      Yep.

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    7. Dr. Gunn‏ @mrgunn 18 Oct 2018
      Replying to @zeynep @danstillman and

      I the absence of information, it's common to resort to conspiracy theories, but no, there are legitimate reasons & you're (still) welcome to speak to the team about them.

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    8. Tony Garnock-Jones‏ @leastfixedpoint 18 Oct 2018
      Replying to @mrgunn @zeynep and

      Setting aside whether or no there are indeed legitimate reasons, you have to admit the structural similarity of "trust us there are very good reasons we can't tell you about" to, oh, the tired old national security justifications for any old bad behaviour is a bit on the nose.

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    9. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 18 Oct 2018
      Replying to @leastfixedpoint @mrgunn and

      Also logical nonsense. Being treated like we’re idiots. There’s only one company that’s done at Mendeley has done “is response to GDPR”—somehow not affecting GDPR requirements but oh so coincidentally shutting out the free, non-profit competitor. With no feasible explanation.

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    10. Dr. Gunn‏ @mrgunn 18 Oct 2018
      Replying to @zeynep @leastfixedpoint and

      You are making three assertions, I think: a) what other programs have done is relevant b) there's no feasible explanation c) Zotero is shut out. a) it isn't. b) The changes were needed for user privacy, ongoing db maintenance, & API support. c) They aren't shut out.

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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 18 Oct 2018
      Replying to @mrgunn @leastfixedpoint and

      Okay. Point me to this "feasible" explanation from your employer, in the form of a corporate statement, explaining how and guaranteeing Zotero users can easily access THEIR OWN DATA. Have your employer explain this. https://eighty-twenty.org/2018/06/13/mendeley-encrypted-db …

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        2. Dr. Gunn‏ @mrgunn 18 Oct 2018
          Replying to @zeynep @leastfixedpoint and

          I believe they're waiting to do a blog post when they have the local API ready to go.

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        3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 18 Oct 2018
          Replying to @mrgunn @leastfixedpoint and

          It's been months. Why do "they" (your employers) have to wait to explain?

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