Sokal did something important. I applaud bullshit detection. This is just playing to the lucrative, anti-intellectual academia-bashing—right & left versions. It’s the difference between asking, say, clinical trials to be pre-registered and grifting by peddling anti-vaccination.
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Replying to @zeynep
I just don't follow how this, of all things, could be considered anti-intellectual. it is satire. it stings because it is, hopefully, making everyone think more about what the hell is happening in academia when a paper like this is getting glowing reviewspic.twitter.com/Z2Bv2698hI
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See, exactly what I mean. Read the piece I linked to—that thing got rejected! Again and again and again. Shot down by concerned reviewers. That's exactly it: the trio deliberately fudged how they talk about it so everyone thinks it got accepted. They aren't out to show problems.
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Replying to @zeynep @codybrown
I don't mean crap doesn't get published—there are predatory journals that will "publish" anything in any field without review (these are flat out fake journals). Also, some terrible stuff can eventually be published if you try hard. But that's not how you evaluate a whole field.
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Replying to @zeynep @codybrown
That paper did not get "glowing reviews", it got the opposite. That you think the opposite of truth is why I call this trio's misrepresentation the actual hoax. We need better bullshit detection, and better understanding of how do you actually do an audit study. This is a stunt.
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the opposite of truth? I read most of the reviews before chiming in. Some pushback but some are very supportive. This was also one of the few papers that was in review. the seven others got in with glowing feedback. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1WVJQjxY6pCClO3mcnsBK6dfU_BGiN6HC/view …pic.twitter.com/LRVX3WhOdK
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One, the paper was rejected. Roundly rejected. Multiple times. Two, that reviewer came forward. He's a grad student who was doing his very first review, and he used positive language from a review he just got because he wanted to have *something* positive to say in a rejection.
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So all these hoaxers got is rejection (which they hid and misled so that it got *widely* reported by people with PhDs as "accepted" paper—not a coincidence, they misrepresented the rejection) and exposed that .. some fields encourage "put in a positive sentence in rejection".
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Replying to @codybrown
Read the write-up I linked to. If you fake data, you can get in to many places, as I keep saying, including the Lancet. They had very very marginal success for huge effort, and mostly by faking data, and given their dishonest representation, I'm not even sure we know all attempts
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Faking data to get in somewhere (fraud) is different than a hoax (a la Sokal). Also read:. https://slate.com/technology/2018/10/grievance-studies-hoax-not-academic-scandal.html … Honestly, I'd have expected more success. All decentralized gatekeeping systems can be penetrated some of the time. The question is how easy and often?
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Replying to @zeynep @codybrown
The irony is this is a shoddy study misrepresenting the resuts and overselling them. I wouldn't let this write-up through peer review! I'd say, go do this again and be honest about what you got. Whatever one's opinions about these fields... This "hoax" is not honest or strong.
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(I want to re-emphasize I find Sokal to be substantive and while I wouldn't agree with every opinion he had, he's very much worth engaging. These are folks who don't like certain fields (fine!) but pulled a stunt which they misrepresent. Pls do read the two links in this thread.)
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