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    1. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 16 Jul 2018
      Replying to @peterktodd @GarethDennis

      Okay but I was talking about innovation cultures, and what they can learn from each other, and why publicity and/or VIPs are a problem in rescues/disaster recovery. I didn't see that covered—otherwise I wouldn't bother. I try not to write "fashionable." No need for me.

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    2. Peter Todd‏ @peterktodd 16 Jul 2018
      Replying to @zeynep @GarethDennis

      That's not how I or many others read your article. And the problems of media in rescues of all kinds are very well known. E.g in my copy of the cave rescue book On Call... and it's the pre-twitter 2001 edition. :)pic.twitter.com/7McxCNIsbY

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    3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 16 Jul 2018
      Replying to @peterktodd @GarethDennis

      I didn't say I discovered media as a problem in rescues! Lol, of course not. Every rescuer knows this. But I'm gonna go with covered in 2001 dead-tree book that's not even well-known outside the rescue community as not fashionable enough for me to avoid writing about. 😃

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    4. Peter Todd‏ @peterktodd 16 Jul 2018
      Replying to @zeynep @GarethDennis

      Well, thats kinda the problem... What public good did your article actually serve? Could you have done better? What I'm seeing is more entertainment than enlightenment. A better ratio than most, but still bad.

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    5. Gareth Dennis‏ @GarethDennis 16 Jul 2018
      Replying to @peterktodd @zeynep

      Nope. It perfectly encapsulated a serious problem that propagates across my industry and others at the moment. That innovation is only disruptive, and this is being driven by the attitudes of SV.

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    6. Peter Todd‏ @peterktodd 16 Jul 2018
      Replying to @GarethDennis @zeynep

      It's a huge stretch to talk about a metal tube with scuba tanks and regulators strapped to the side as "disruptive"... The solution used was more arguably disruptive: a risky set of drugs, full face masks, and audacity to do something never done before.

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    7. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 16 Jul 2018
      Replying to @peterktodd @GarethDennis

      My argument is that both cultures are innovative and disruptive—in different ways. More bureaucratic-seeming safety cultures are often quite creative and innovative. Giant risks for sure, kids couldn't equalize with full face-masks plus what appear to be some dosage of benzos?

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    8. Peter Todd‏ @peterktodd 16 Jul 2018
      Replying to @zeynep @GarethDennis

      But remember, SpaceX *is* an example of that kind of culture too; SpaceX isn't typical silicon valley. In fact, it's probably the case that the cave diving community is *less* of a buracratic safety culture rhan SpaceX. Dry caving sure is. These just aren't good comparisons.

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    9. Peter Todd‏ @peterktodd 16 Jul 2018
      Replying to @peterktodd @zeynep @GarethDennis

      You don't get to space consistently without serious amounts of buracracy, engineering, and paperwork. I'd be very surprised if the average UK cave diver did as much safety paperwork as the average SpaceX engineer. E.g. still arguing about checklists: http://www.scubaverse.com/is-a-pre-dive-checklist-overkill-for-recreational-divers/ …

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    10. Gareth Dennis‏ @GarethDennis 16 Jul 2018
      Replying to @peterktodd @zeynep

      I don't think anyone is doubting that... SpaceX are a space engineering company so I'd expect no less.

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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 16 Jul 2018
      Replying to @GarethDennis @peterktodd

      Sure. Also SpaceX is personless. I am personally still awestruck that the rescue worked. What a huge risk everyone took to plan it, to authorize it, to dare it. I was personally quite pessimistic they would get all 13 out alive given the conditions/non-swimming kids...

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        2. Gareth Dennis‏ @GarethDennis 16 Jul 2018
          Replying to @asdlkjhbvn_so @zeynep @peterktodd

          Weird that *this* is your first tweet...

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