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Complex systems, wicked problems. Society, technology, science and more. @UNC professor. @NYTimes columnist. My newsletter is @insight: http://www.theinsight.org 

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    1. Peter Todd‏ @peterktodd 16 Jul 2018
      Replying to @zeynep @GarethDennis

      What protocols? I'm sorry, but cave dive rescue is mostly not a thing because so few rescue attempts happen, and even fewer are successful. The two divers who found the kids had never done a successful dive rescue before - all body recoveries (one following a failed rescue).

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    2. Peter Todd‏ @peterktodd 16 Jul 2018
      Replying to @peterktodd @zeynep @GarethDennis

      It's also been rarely reported that the hard shelled sub was actually a *second* attempt — SpaceX worked to help another company w/ a few soft, inflatable, stretcher-like rescue pods. The anti-SV argument just desn't work here (an exception IMO; usually I'd criticise SV).

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    3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 16 Jul 2018
      Replying to @peterktodd @GarethDennis

      Cave-diving is a thing. That rescue was a lot of cave-diving—and modern cave-diving is steeped in protocols, and innovation occurs within that context. Also I'm not criticizing developing a backup plan but doing it with a lot of publicity. That is a problem in rescue situations.+

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    4. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 16 Jul 2018
      Replying to @zeynep @peterktodd @GarethDennis

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted zeynep tufekci

      Elon deleted his tweets in response here (he called the caver who convinced the Thai authorities and brought in the divers a "pedo guy" 😬) but here's the issue in a nutshell:https://twitter.com/zeynep/status/1018506650087559169 …

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      zeynep tufekciVerified account @zeynep
      Replying to @elonmusk
      But my point isn't to criticize you for exploring a back-up option (is it still in development with domain experts?) but that the kind of publicity you seek/bring has downsides whatever your intentions may be, and that, broadly, the incredible rescue has broader lessons for tech.
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    5. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 16 Jul 2018
      Replying to @zeynep @peterktodd @GarethDennis

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted zeynep tufekci

      Actually check out this thread of mine. (Him deleting his tweets has messed up the order)https://twitter.com/zeynep/status/1018498560789286912 …

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      zeynep tufekciVerified account @zeynep
      Replying to @elonmusk
      So Vern is the diver who was among the first there, dug up the maps, brought in the other divers, figured out where the boys were and convinced authorities. Look beyond your irritation with his irritation and listen for a sec why he might be irritated, ok? https://edition.cnn.com/2018/07/13/uk/thai-cave-rescue-british-divers-intl/index.html …
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    6. Peter Todd‏ @peterktodd 16 Jul 2018
      Replying to @zeynep @GarethDennis

      I read that, prior to Musk deleting the tweets (which I agree were uncalled for - I said elsewhere I think he needs to get counseling) You would have made a much better point if you'd stuck to those points rather than fashionable criticisms of SV.

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    7. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 16 Jul 2018
      Replying to @peterktodd @GarethDennis

      Okay but I was talking about innovation cultures, and what they can learn from each other, and why publicity and/or VIPs are a problem in rescues/disaster recovery. I didn't see that covered—otherwise I wouldn't bother. I try not to write "fashionable." No need for me.

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    8. Peter Todd‏ @peterktodd 16 Jul 2018
      Replying to @zeynep @GarethDennis

      That's not how I or many others read your article. And the problems of media in rescues of all kinds are very well known. E.g in my copy of the cave rescue book On Call... and it's the pre-twitter 2001 edition. :)pic.twitter.com/7McxCNIsbY

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    9. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 16 Jul 2018
      Replying to @peterktodd @GarethDennis

      I didn't say I discovered media as a problem in rescues! Lol, of course not. Every rescuer knows this. But I'm gonna go with covered in 2001 dead-tree book that's not even well-known outside the rescue community as not fashionable enough for me to avoid writing about. 😃

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    10. Peter Todd‏ @peterktodd 16 Jul 2018
      Replying to @zeynep @GarethDennis

      Well, thats kinda the problem... What public good did your article actually serve? Could you have done better? What I'm seeing is more entertainment than enlightenment. A better ratio than most, but still bad.

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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 16 Jul 2018
      Replying to @peterktodd @GarethDennis

      Well I tried to write a calm, balanced short article on what different innovation cultures could learn from one another—on purpose after the rescue was over & flashy attention/traffic dwindling. I waited on purpose. Anyway, the "pedo guy" comment wasn't my doing or choice.🤷‍♀️

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        1. Gareth Dennis‏ @GarethDennis 16 Jul 2018
          Replying to @zeynep @peterktodd

          No, but you've facilitated the downfall of a tyrant 🤣

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        1. Peter Todd‏ @peterktodd 16 Jul 2018
          Replying to @zeynep @GarethDennis

          Well, I respect your intentions, but I don't think you succeeded. In part because of the context — kinda like Musk's problems!

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        1. Margaret Lawson‏ @konstantkaos 16 Jul 2018
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          Thank you for your article, another aspect that I did not consider.

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