Cave-experts and rescuers of course innovate—but under a very different model of innovation. Almost all rescue situations are hotbeds of innovation and jerry-rigging. Someone was talking about how nurses in ICUs do the same—enormous innovation but embedded within protocols.
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Replying to @zeynep @GarethDennis
What protocols? I'm sorry, but cave dive rescue is mostly not a thing because so few rescue attempts happen, and even fewer are successful. The two divers who found the kids had never done a successful dive rescue before - all body recoveries (one following a failed rescue).
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It's also been rarely reported that the hard shelled sub was actually a *second* attempt — SpaceX worked to help another company w/ a few soft, inflatable, stretcher-like rescue pods. The anti-SV argument just desn't work here (an exception IMO; usually I'd criticise SV).
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Replying to @peterktodd @GarethDennis
Cave-diving is a thing. That rescue was a lot of cave-diving—and modern cave-diving is steeped in protocols, and innovation occurs within that context. Also I'm not criticizing developing a backup plan but doing it with a lot of publicity. That is a problem in rescue situations.+
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Replying to @zeynep @GarethDennis
Cave diving protocols have very little to do with rescue. Heck, one of popular protocols in the UK actively encourages solo diving because aid has proven counter productive. It's just not an honest criticism.
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I'm sorry, you're just totally disregarding a huge volume of hard-won cave rescue experience. Even if you look at tech alone, the HeyPhones used to transmit through solid rock are the culmination of decades of experience.https://twitter.com/GarethDennis/status/1017122952893075456?s=19 …
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Replying to @GarethDennis @zeynep
I'm talking about the novel part of the rescue that Musk tried to contribute too, the underwater part. That part was unprecedented. Other than the water the rescue was a easy one by caving standards - big passage and horizontal.
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Replying to @peterktodd @GarethDennis
Also, Vern, the spelunker Elon insulted needlessly, is the one that somehow got the Thai authorities to bring in & turn the thing over to the cave-divers. As someone with a lifelong interest in the sociology of rescue/disaster recovery, HOLY SHIT. That's amazing & turning point.
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Replying to @zeynep @GarethDennis
Note, the term "splunker" is often considered an insult in caving circles... That "bring in the cavalry" thing happens a lot when local authorities realise they're going to get people killed. The Thai divers — while brave — were probably smart enough to know they didn't know.
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One died and three more were hospitalized after all. It's not polite to say it, but they really needed the outside help, and I don't find it remarkable that they got it — I have faith that they'd have the self reflection to know when they needed help.
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There are many situations when sanity requires that they turn things over to experts and it is often an uphill fight. Given the Thai political context, I was pessimistic but yeah, kudos to the officials. Really tragic with the Thai Navy Seal though. Air-management issues. :-(
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