What protocols? I'm sorry, but cave dive rescue is mostly not a thing because so few rescue attempts happen, and even fewer are successful. The two divers who found the kids had never done a successful dive rescue before - all body recoveries (one following a failed rescue).
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It's also been rarely reported that the hard shelled sub was actually a *second* attempt — SpaceX worked to help another company w/ a few soft, inflatable, stretcher-like rescue pods. The anti-SV argument just desn't work here (an exception IMO; usually I'd criticise SV).
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Cave-diving is a thing. That rescue was a lot of cave-diving—and modern cave-diving is steeped in protocols, and innovation occurs within that context. Also I'm not criticizing developing a backup plan but doing it with a lot of publicity. That is a problem in rescue situations.+
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Elon deleted his tweets in response here (he called the caver who convinced the Thai authorities and brought in the divers a "pedo guy"
) but here's the issue in a nutshell:https://twitter.com/zeynep/status/1018506650087559169 …zeynep tufekci added,
zeynep tufekciVerified account @zeynepReplying to @elonmuskBut my point isn't to criticize you for exploring a back-up option (is it still in development with domain experts?) but that the kind of publicity you seek/bring has downsides whatever your intentions may be, and that, broadly, the incredible rescue has broader lessons for tech.2 replies 0 retweets 3 likes -
zeynep tufekci Retweeted zeynep tufekci
Actually check out this thread of mine. (Him deleting his tweets has messed up the order)https://twitter.com/zeynep/status/1018498560789286912 …
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zeynep tufekciVerified account @zeynepReplying to @elonmuskSo Vern is the diver who was among the first there, dug up the maps, brought in the other divers, figured out where the boys were and convinced authorities. Look beyond your irritation with his irritation and listen for a sec why he might be irritated, ok? https://edition.cnn.com/2018/07/13/uk/thai-cave-rescue-british-divers-intl/index.html …2 replies 0 retweets 3 likes -
Screenshot format. A high-profile rescue is as much about managing the officials and everyone who was (unworkable) ideas as the rescue. The number of divers who could carry this out were so few that rescuehalted while they slept. Backup option should have been quietly developed.pic.twitter.com/1QZpxcKjXy
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Indeed, quiet is good. But why was this so noisy? Frankly because of the media whipping up controversy more than anything. Musk's tweets *were* reasonable and took care to not give himself credit. Media presented it very differently and created a shit storm of controversy.
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I know people who've done cave rescue (and been victims in cave rescues) and they too complain about media. But that's it, they're complaining about the media itself...
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Agree about the media part, though social media is media under his control. Also, from what I can tell, the cave-diver community was agnostic to "okay, let's see" to Musk as backup *until* he started tweeting videos & the widespread media coverage. Then they feared the PR affect.
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Which is deeply unfortunate: Musk was quite right in thinking that Twitter could provide a way to brainstorm ideas without impacting the rescue effort itself. And he did the right thing by getting support from those I charge. But then media shit storm created by clickbait...
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Def agree, media coverage hurt—both the uncritical type (repeating "oh look shiny sub!") and needlessly critical. But it's 2018. You can't put a video of a rigid sub with airtanks on the *side* pushed around in a pool to 22mil for a no-mount rescue without irritating rescuers.
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Replying to @zeynep @GarethDennis
Hmm? What does air tanks on the side have to do with it? That's how divers generally dive in caves, and leaves open the possibility for repositioning to get past obstacles. Not to mention, what was the alternative? I'm not seeing why that's a sign of bad thinking.
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