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Zed A. Shaw, Painter
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Zed A. Shaw, Painter

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Personal artistic explorations in pigment. Follow @lzsthw is for http://learncodethehardway.com  programming books and code stuff.

Miami Beach, FL
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    1. David Beazley‏ @dabeaz Apr 26
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      I’ve experienced very few problems using Python on Windows over the last 15 years. What is the issue exactly?

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    2. Zed A. Shaw, Painter‏ @zedshaw Apr 26
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      1. Python not in PATH bu default. 2. Windows now detects you typed python in powershell and offers to install from windows store. 3. People need mega logins with Microsoft to use the store. 4. Hours later they get it from the store and.... Still not in the PATH. Goto #1.

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    3. Steve Dower‏ @zooba Apr 26
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      1. Linux assumption. That's not how Windows works (except to satisfy people with that assumption) 2. Very popular with new devs. 3. Not obvious, but login is optional for free apps. Just hit cancel. 4. Please report a bug through Windows Feedback. That isn't normal.

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    4. Zed A. Shaw, Painter‏ @zedshaw Apr 26
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      1. Not Linux assumption. Other languages do the correct usable thing. All other windows software does too. This is totaly false. 2. Doesn’t matter if you cancel it’s still a usability problem and an attempt to bring users to windows. 3. I don’t help Trillion dollar companies.

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    5. Zed A. Shaw, Painter‏ @zedshaw Apr 26
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      The correct way to handle this is instead of begging me to do Microsoft’s job for them and go through your bureaucratic process you take what I wrote and write it up yourself instead of begging me for free work.

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    6. Steve Dower‏ @zooba Apr 26
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      That's kind of you to allow that. Many projects get very upset if you create an alternate version of their stuff for people to use. If you're happy to only have Linux users, that's fine by me. They're the ones complaining to you, or asking for things.

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    7. Zed A. Shaw, Painter‏ @zedshaw Apr 26
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      It’s not a linux thing to put programs in the path. I use windows 10 all day and I can just run any prgram I install without special path editing. Only python requires this. When you say “only linux” you’re spreading propaganda to push a hidden objective that harms users.

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    8. Steve Dower‏ @zooba Apr 26
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      I just went through my own PATH and the only things there are x-plat ports, system commands, and potential DLL hijacking issues. No Office, no video/audio editing tools, no games. Not sure what propaganda I'm meant to be pushing. The Windows design philosophy?

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    9. Zed A. Shaw, Painter‏ @zedshaw Apr 26
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      Yet, I can run all kinds of things without editing the path. Everything from Office to Chrome to Reaper to Node to Perl to WSL to everything except Python. Being able to conveniently run software without specialized knowledge is not a “linux” thing. It’s a human thing.

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    10. Steve Dower‏ @zooba Apr 26
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      Everyone else uses the Start menu. A terminal *is* specialised knowledge in Windows. GUI is the main front-end.

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      Zed A. Shaw, Painter‏ @zedshaw Apr 26
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      You're also a liar. Here's my path, with tons of things I didn't manually add. I didn't manually add postgres, Webm, dotnet, sql server, OpenSSH, nodejs. The installers did that for me. You are now proven completely wrong. This is not a Linux only thing. It's usability.pic.twitter.com/Z2plxKNJiS

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        2. Steve Dower‏ @zooba Apr 26
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          postgres - x-plat Wbem - system dotnet - x-plat (and also shouldn't be here, IMO) SQL Server - not on mine, but probably shouldn't do it OpenSSH - x-plat node.js - x-plat Most of the other entries just have DLLs, not user-facing tools. This is a huge reliability risk.

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        3. Zed A. Shaw, Painter‏ @zedshaw Apr 26
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          Nope, I type $env:PATH there and I can run node. That's all that matters. Your claims that they're somehow wildly different because "x-plat" is pointless. You could just be like them, but you insist on promoting this agenda of not being like Linux despite you not knowing Linux

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        1. Rich Turner  🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿‏ @bitcrazed Apr 26
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          FWIW, when you install Python via the Store, it doesn't show up in your $env:path. Instead, execution aliases for Python and several of its executables are added to the $env:userprofile\appdata\local\microsoft\WindowsApps folder. This is just how managed apps are installed.

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