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Personal artistic explorations in pigment. Follow @lzsthw is for http://learncodethehardway.com  programming books and code stuff.

Miami Beach, FL
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    1. Steve Dower‏ @zooba Apr 26
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      Some of the most upsetting tweets I get to see are people who 100% gave up on Windows a decade ago because of Python. Much like 100% giving up on Linux because of AAA games. Don't judge a platform by the things that weren't designed for it.

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    2. David Beazley‏ @dabeaz Apr 26
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      I’ve experienced very few problems using Python on Windows over the last 15 years. What is the issue exactly?

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    3. Zed A. Shaw, Painter‏ @zedshaw Apr 26
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      1. Python not in PATH bu default. 2. Windows now detects you typed python in powershell and offers to install from windows store. 3. People need mega logins with Microsoft to use the store. 4. Hours later they get it from the store and.... Still not in the PATH. Goto #1.

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    4. Steve Dower‏ @zooba Apr 26
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      1. Linux assumption. That's not how Windows works (except to satisfy people with that assumption) 2. Very popular with new devs. 3. Not obvious, but login is optional for free apps. Just hit cancel. 4. Please report a bug through Windows Feedback. That isn't normal.

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    5. Zed A. Shaw, Painter‏ @zedshaw Apr 26
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      1. Not Linux assumption. Other languages do the correct usable thing. All other windows software does too. This is totaly false. 2. Doesn’t matter if you cancel it’s still a usability problem and an attempt to bring users to windows. 3. I don’t help Trillion dollar companies.

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    6. Zed A. Shaw, Painter‏ @zedshaw Apr 26
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      The correct way to handle this is instead of begging me to do Microsoft’s job for them and go through your bureaucratic process you take what I wrote and write it up yourself instead of begging me for free work.

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    7. Steve Dower‏ @zooba Apr 26
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      That's kind of you to allow that. Many projects get very upset if you create an alternate version of their stuff for people to use. If you're happy to only have Linux users, that's fine by me. They're the ones complaining to you, or asking for things.

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    8. Zed A. Shaw, Painter‏ @zedshaw Apr 26
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      It’s not a linux thing to put programs in the path. I use windows 10 all day and I can just run any prgram I install without special path editing. Only python requires this. When you say “only linux” you’re spreading propaganda to push a hidden objective that harms users.

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    9. Steve Dower‏ @zooba Apr 26
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      I just went through my own PATH and the only things there are x-plat ports, system commands, and potential DLL hijacking issues. No Office, no video/audio editing tools, no games. Not sure what propaganda I'm meant to be pushing. The Windows design philosophy?

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      Zed A. Shaw, Painter‏ @zedshaw Apr 26
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      The propaganda you’re pushing is that Python has to be this way because Windows is not Linux and only Libux allows you to access software easily. This is not only false on its face, but also denies that OSX’s installer exists. There is a hidden agenda to why you do this.

      7:09 AM - 26 Apr 2020
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        2. Steve Dower‏ @zooba Apr 26
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          It's not hidden. I want Python to work well for Windows users on Windows. I don't want Python being responsible for breaking other people's software. It's not an easy balance, especially given 99% of online posts ignore Windows (but Windows users still read them).

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        3. Zed A. Shaw, Painter‏ @zedshaw Apr 26
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          This is also a motte-and-bailey fallacy and propaganda tactic: https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Motte_and_bailey … First you don't do this because "it's a Linux thing", then when I prove you wrong you retreat to "it will break 1% of software". Both statements from you also have zero evidence, just words.

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