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Zed A. Shaw, Painter
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Personal artistic explorations in pigment. Follow @lzsthw is for http://learncodethehardway.com  programming books and code stuff.

Miami Beach, FL
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    1. Zed A. Shaw, Painter‏ @zedshaw Mar 8
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      Zed A. Shaw, Painter Retweeted Reginald Braithwaite

      This was a topic I wanted to talk about related to art and super smart math people. Ever notice how supposedly awesome math people can't draw what they see? I always wondered why that is. I mean, it's just an application of practical optics, so you'd think they could do it.https://twitter.com/raganwald/status/1236697625715490820 …

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      Reginald Braithwaite @raganwald
      “The most severe-form of the Dunning-Kruger Effect afflicts those who are genuinely talented in one area of their lives, and believe this means they’re brilliant thinkers on all subjects, whether they have education or experience in those topics, or not. No cure has been found.”
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      Zed A. Shaw, Painter‏ @zedshaw Mar 8
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      When I say "drawing" I should clarify, just any attempt to translate what you see to a 2D surface, whether with line drawings, paint, whatever. Now, you'll get someone who is oh so smart at math. Can do Physics and Optics calcs in their head all day. But, can't draw?

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        2. Zed A. Shaw, Painter‏ @zedshaw Mar 8
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          But, one of the most basic forms of optics is sight sized drawing: https://www.sightsize.com/about/  You can do this with nothing more than paper and pencil. It's the simplest of optics translations, but we didn't figure it out until about 1500 AD.

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        3. Zed A. Shaw, Painter‏ @zedshaw Mar 8
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          The process is really simple: Put the paper on the exact same focal plane as the subject. Stand at 5x the width of the paper/subject to reduce distortion. Copy points from subject to paper, then connect the points. It's really that easy. Why don't smart people figure it out?

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        4. Zed A. Shaw, Painter‏ @zedshaw Mar 8
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          Belief plays a large part of preventing people from applying what they know to other obvious disciplines. In Reg's tweet he talks about one direction, where belief in being smart keeps you from really knowing new things. I believe this is the other way:

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        5. Zed A. Shaw, Painter‏ @zedshaw Mar 8
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          People weirdly believe that anyone good at math can't be good at drawing, even though the most basic and accurate way to draw is nothing more than a practical application of optics math. This is so ingrained that even people who are super smart don't bother to ask if it's true.

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        6. Zed A. Shaw, Painter‏ @zedshaw Mar 8
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          This goes so far that people who *can* draw set up impossible "tests" of people with math skill to prove they can't. I once had someone challenge me to draw a woman, far down a table, to my right, in a dark bar, in 5 minutes. This dude though spent days working on 1 drawing.

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        7. Zed A. Shaw, Painter‏ @zedshaw Mar 8
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          I had a teacher try to test my drawing skills by tossing a warped human statue on a bookshelf high above me with a blinding open sunlit window behind it and just a sketch pad. Her last drawing took her 6 months to complete and required a dark box, special pencils, paper, etc.

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        8. Zed A. Shaw, Painter‏ @zedshaw Mar 8
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          There were other students with art degrees who's skills were judged only on their completed body of work, which was the same series of 4 month pencil drawing I did, but for some reason I was proven "incompetent" because I couldn't also sketch a perfect backlit statue in 4 minutes

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        9. Zed A. Shaw, Painter‏ @zedshaw Mar 8
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          Nothing about drawing is innate or unlearnable. If you can learn 500 year old optics and have just working vision--not even color vision--you can learn to draw. The problem is people who are good at drawing have a double standard. One for artists and one for everyone else.

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        10. Zed A. Shaw, Painter‏ @zedshaw Mar 8
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          A good analogy is imagine it's 500 years ago and not everyone knows how to read. Wealthy educated people do, and they make sure their kids spend hundreds of hours learning to read, but when you want to read they go: "Here read this Chaucer in 4 minutes and if you can't GFYS."

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        11. Zed A. Shaw, Painter‏ @zedshaw Mar 8
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          So, I believe that super smart math types can easily learn to paint and draw, but belief keeps them from realizing that it's just an exercise in practical optics. It's not magic. Basically, people who can paint and draw just spent the 100 hour necessary to learn "to read".

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        12. Zed A. Shaw, Painter‏ @zedshaw Mar 8
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          Color is tricky because there is a genetic/biological component that makes it harder for some people, but the weird trick is: If you're color blind you might be *better* at drawing. Basically, color confuses the brain when drawing, so you have an advantage.

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        13. Zed A. Shaw, Painter‏ @zedshaw Mar 8
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          So, when people talk about "Dunning-Kreuger" this and that, they really don't talk about how they evaluate competence. From programming and art I can tell you they're terrible at it, and social norms and beliefs end up distorting skill and potential, even *in the student*.

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        14. Zed A. Shaw, Painter‏ @zedshaw Mar 8
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          Finally, I've found a lot of the way someone's skill is evaluated has nothing to do with raw talent and more to do with knowing cliches of genres. You aren't a good programmer unless YouKnowCamelCase and unit tests. You're not a good painter unless you paint like Rembrandt.

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