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Personal artistic explorations in pigment. Follow @lzsthw is for http://learncodethehardway.com  programming books and code stuff.

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    1. Zed A. Shaw, Painter‏ @zedshaw 13 Feb 2019
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      I am very confused by this set of articles: https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/oakland/2019/01/31/university-farmington-arrests/2733751002/ … then https://www.freep.com/story/news/2019/02/11/emails-reveal-how-university-lured-students-fake-farmington-university/2744103002/ … As in, I can't even see what crime the supposed "illegal immigrants" actually committed. Let me break it down real quick:

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      Zed A. Shaw, Painter‏ @zedshaw 13 Feb 2019
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      ICE set up a fake university in Michigan as a sting to catch immigration fraud. Ok, so the fraud they were trying to catch is people going to fake universities by creating a fake university. But, how they did this actually made the university seem real and legit:

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        2. Zed A. Shaw, Painter‏ @zedshaw 13 Feb 2019
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          1. They registered a real university with the state of michigan. 2. They got it accredited. 3. They took money from the students. 4. They *listed it on the ICE website saying it was real*. 5. They had classes listed, full website, and students even with through SEVIS and visas.

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        3. Zed A. Shaw, Painter‏ @zedshaw 13 Feb 2019
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          The building wasn't real, but how is a guy in India or even New York supposed to know that? They probably just want a low cost university, and this basically was a real university. ICE worked with ACCSC to get it fraudulently accredited, took money, and listed it...sooooooo.

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        4. Zed A. Shaw, Painter‏ @zedshaw 13 Feb 2019
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          The claim ICE is making is basically, "You should have known this university that was officially accredited, had a legit website, and which we SAID was legit, was not legit at all." I don't think even I could have figured that out if I saw all of that evidence.

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        5. Zed A. Shaw, Painter‏ @zedshaw 13 Feb 2019
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          Additionally, these people probably would have never committed this "crime" (applying to an accredited approved school is not a crime) without all this work enticing them from ICE, which makes it entrapment, but they can't use that defense because they're foreign.

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        6. Zed A. Shaw, Painter‏ @zedshaw 13 Feb 2019
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          Now, the real insane kicker of this story is, ICE was apparently taking $11k from these people and then....kept it all. Like, from reading this they arrested 130 people, but collected from 600, so ICE either stole 1.43 or 6.6 million dollars from poor framers in India.

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        7. Zed A. Shaw, Painter‏ @zedshaw 13 Feb 2019
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          But, that money was collected using fraud, which means that ICE isn't allowed to keep it and I'm pretty damn sure if you're breaking the law to catch someone then your case is fucked. At a minimum that's embezzling or fraud or something. ICE's defense might be "drug seizure".

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        8. Zed A. Shaw, Painter‏ @zedshaw 13 Feb 2019
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          ICE would say, "If we posed as a drug dealer and sold them $11k of cocaine, we'd get to throw them in jail and keep the $11k." The difference though is that, when you post as a drug dealer, you are posing as a criminal and everyone involved knows it's a crime. This is different

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        9. Zed A. Shaw, Painter‏ @zedshaw 13 Feb 2019
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          This is like ICE having a list of approved medical clinics, and getting the state medical board to approve the clinics, and getting AMA to certify the clinic, and then letting people fill out all the legal paperwork to get Oxy, then going "AHA! This is fake!"

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        10. Zed A. Shaw, Painter‏ @zedshaw 13 Feb 2019
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          A lot of string operations rely on the people knowing they're committing a crime with a criminal, and LEO can't be involved in vouching for the legitimacy of the criminal. They can't be like, "Oh it's fine to buy this cocaine from Pablo, we certify him and the AMA did too."

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        11. Zed A. Shaw, Painter‏ @zedshaw 13 Feb 2019
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          In fact, I'd say there's two angles to the defense: 1. Would a reasonable American know this university was fake and also apply? 2. If ICE hadn't vouched for this university and done all the proper registrations would they catch the same people? Here's how I'd test that.

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        12. Zed A. Shaw, Painter‏ @zedshaw 13 Feb 2019
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          Conduct a simple usability study that asks a bunch of random people to try to identify if a university is legit or not from the website. I'm pretty sure you'd find out that if it's accredited, registered, and recommended by ICE a massive majority would say it's legit.

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        13. Zed A. Shaw, Painter‏ @zedshaw 13 Feb 2019
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          Oh, I should add, ICE's original claim was they setup the university to catch people who commit visa fraud for people, like admissions officials and others. BUT, ICE still has a problem with this angle:

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        14. Zed A. Shaw, Painter‏ @zedshaw 13 Feb 2019
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          They definitely could arrest the people making fake passports and visas, BUT they didn't pose as someone who made fake visas. They posed as a university, enticed people to it, screwed with their paperwork, and then arrested them when they got desperate for their money back.

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        15. Zed A. Shaw, Painter‏ @zedshaw 13 Feb 2019
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          If I'm reading this right, ICE setup the university, took their money, put them through SEVIS and the F1 process, then just sat there. People requested their money back and to have their SEVIS moved to a new university and ICE ignored them. Eventually the students got desperate

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        16. Zed A. Shaw, Painter‏ @zedshaw 13 Feb 2019
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          This is like the government telling me I owe $1000 in parking tickets and I can't drive until I pay it. So I send them my money and fill out the paperwork, but they just hang on to it and wait to see if I'll drive my car illegally. Eventually I have to and they arrest me.

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