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    1. Mikeal Rogers‏ @mikeal 18 Jan 2018
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      My take on ESM and the npm proposal isn't what you expect. [Thread]

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    2. Mikeal Rogers‏ @mikeal 18 Jan 2018
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      The vast majority of developers don't have an opinion about the module syntax. They use whatever they use and are happy as long as it works.

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    3. Mikeal Rogers‏ @mikeal 18 Jan 2018
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      In that context, breaks are unacceptable. But also, you have to reposition what the developer expectations are here, given that there aren't strong preferences and what they have is working just fine.

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    4. Mikeal Rogers‏ @mikeal 18 Jan 2018
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      React people started using ESM cause React told them to. They expect this syntax, they don't expect the spec's semantics entirely because they are running through compilers anyway.

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    5. Mikeal Rogers‏ @mikeal 18 Jan 2018
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      The problem is that this doesn't work in Node.js today, so Node.js is violating a growing expectation of the developer community.

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    6. Mikeal Rogers‏ @mikeal 18 Jan 2018
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      However, nobody expects to use a new file extension, so the Node.js proposal is already out alignment with expectations. Being that these aren't strong preferences we should expect adoption to be minimal and existing workflows to continue.

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    7. Mikeal Rogers‏ @mikeal 18 Jan 2018
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      The npm proposal turns ESM adoption into a breaking change, which is not what I or anyone would expect when adopting new syntax. Again, people don't really give a shit about module syntax, so why eat a breaking change?

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    8. Mikeal Rogers‏ @mikeal 18 Jan 2018
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      Back to the Node.js proposal, it drops hooks which breaks code coverage, another expectation violated when adopting it.

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    9. Mikeal Rogers‏ @mikeal 18 Jan 2018
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      In summary, both proposals are making compromises that violate the expectations of the average developer. For something that most developers don't have strong preferences for that isn't a good idea.

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      yosh‏ @yoshuawuyts 18 Jan 2018
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      Heh, agree pretty much with all this. Feel that nobody wants to make any breaking changes tho, but there's no other way to reconcile ESM with CJS. In that case choosing the path of least breakage would be desirable, right?

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        2. Mikeal Rogers‏ @mikeal 18 Jan 2018
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          I'm still pissed we are in this situation because Node.js weren't in TC39 until after the spec was finalized, mostly because the project wasn't in a healthy enough place to participate until then.

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        3. Mikeal Rogers‏ @mikeal 18 Jan 2018
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          They also rammed the spec to final noting implementations in Babel and compilers but no browsers or Node which makes me furious.

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