yosh

I'm going through the angular 2 quickstart and I've got 140Mb of code and over 13k files before I write a line of real code. Is this normal?

I mean, I'm all for code reuse, modules, frameworks that make life easier, etc. But this seems a bit crazy to me.

Back when I was learning Ruby in 2008 we made fun of Java for needing a dozen lines for hello world. But hello-world web app is 100k lines?

yo-yo might be a bit more up your alley perhaps; lil 3kb DIY toolkit to build your own framework :D https://github.com/maxogden/yo-yo 

Yes, this is more my style. But I'm trying to learn about the popular frameworks to see what everyone likes.

ah interesting. I'd say probably react is a good starter point, angular is dead. There's a new wave of frameworks tho (1/2)

probably best described as post-react. Preact, Cycle, Vue and Choo (mine) are the ones I'd look at to see what's coming up next