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Engineer and writer, working on making a better world. he/him. Ex-Google, now Humu; opinions my own. Writing at http://medium.com/@yonatanzunger 

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    Yonatan Zunger  🔥‏ @yonatanzunger 1 Oct 2017

    Yonatan Zunger  🔥 Retweeted Biz Stone

    I worked on policy issues at G+ and YT for years. It was *painfully* obvious that Twitter never took them seriously.https://twitter.com/biz/status/914329739988541440 …

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    Y'all pile on us. You really think the issue doesn't weigh on us? And you're so dismissive of the Trust and Safety team. We're all people.
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      2. Yonatan Zunger  🔥‏ @yonatanzunger 1 Oct 2017

        Twitter was so enamored of the idea that they had helped catalyze the Arab Spring that "free speech" became an unexamined article of faith.

        6 replies 292 retweets 1,252 likes
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      3. Yonatan Zunger  🔥‏ @yonatanzunger 1 Oct 2017

        Unexamined as in, whenever serious questions came up of "wait, does this actually help free speech?," the most naïve answer always won.

        5 replies 141 retweets 841 likes
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      4. Yonatan Zunger  🔥‏ @yonatanzunger 1 Oct 2017

        It's hard to think of a single case where Twitter's answer wasn't "allow everything, make it users' responsibility to block" —

        4 replies 167 retweets 831 likes
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      5. Yonatan Zunger  🔥‏ @yonatanzunger 1 Oct 2017

        Even when it was very clear that this imposed unscalable burdens on individual users, silenced *their* speech, or created public risks.

        7 replies 143 retweets 983 likes
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      6. Yonatan Zunger  🔥‏ @yonatanzunger 1 Oct 2017

        And Trump using Twitter was clearly far too exciting to leadership as well: "OMG we're right in the middle of the political process!"

        5 replies 156 retweets 860 likes
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      7. Yonatan Zunger  🔥‏ @yonatanzunger 1 Oct 2017

        The "public interest" exemption was largely shaped post-facto, in the same way that the lack of a hate speech rule was.

        2 replies 88 retweets 709 likes
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      8. Yonatan Zunger  🔥‏ @yonatanzunger 1 Oct 2017

        The fact is that this kind of speech drives traffic and press, and this counters investor concerns about lack of revenue.

        4 replies 132 retweets 743 likes
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      9. Yonatan Zunger  🔥‏ @yonatanzunger 1 Oct 2017

        I have had to sit and *make* these tradeoffs, so please don't try to bullshit me by explaining how it's more complicated than we think.

        1 reply 117 retweets 1,034 likes
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      10. Yonatan Zunger  🔥‏ @yonatanzunger 1 Oct 2017

        It is insanely complicated, one of the hardest things I've ever worked on, and I *still* know when I'm being bullshitted.

        1 reply 84 retweets 914 likes
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      11. Yonatan Zunger  🔥‏ @yonatanzunger 1 Oct 2017

        Twitter chose to optimize for traffic at the expense of user experience. That's why GamerGate, that's why Trump, that's why Nazis.

        22 replies 1,344 retweets 3,277 likes
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      12. Yonatan Zunger  🔥‏ @yonatanzunger 1 Oct 2017

        And Twitter's concept of itself as a "public forum" nonetheless shies away from the issues that every real public forum in the world sees.

        4 replies 157 retweets 914 likes
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      13. Yonatan Zunger  🔥‏ @yonatanzunger 1 Oct 2017

        If you have a vested interest in attracting speakers who draw the most traffic, you are not a neutral platform, and have to deal with that.

        3 replies 397 retweets 1,649 likes
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      14. Yonatan Zunger  🔥‏ @yonatanzunger 1 Oct 2017

        There is nothing at all wrong with that—few platforms *should* be neutral—but you can't act like it's not there.

        1 reply 74 retweets 619 likes
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      15. Yonatan Zunger  🔥‏ @yonatanzunger 1 Oct 2017

        If you're going to reap the benefits of having created one of the key sites where Nazis organize, you need to deal with the costs, too. //

        3 replies 311 retweets 1,361 likes
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      16. Yonatan Zunger  🔥‏ @yonatanzunger 1 Oct 2017

        I should spend some time being clear about what good solutions look like, too. This *can* be done properly.

        3 replies 48 retweets 518 likes
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      17. Yonatan Zunger  🔥‏ @yonatanzunger 1 Oct 2017

        I fully agree with the goal of maximizing speech. We benefit, as a society and as individuals, from a free marketplace of ideas.

        2 replies 68 retweets 528 likes
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      18. Yonatan Zunger  🔥‏ @yonatanzunger 1 Oct 2017

        But KEY POINT: People's speech can be used to suppress other people's speech. (Harassment, threats, etc)

        5 replies 303 retweets 1,324 likes
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      19. Yonatan Zunger  🔥‏ @yonatanzunger 1 Oct 2017

        Specifically, if someone can impose costs on another person for speaking, then speech becomes limited to those most able to pay those costs.

        2 replies 357 retweets 1,270 likes
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      20. Yonatan Zunger  🔥‏ @yonatanzunger 1 Oct 2017

        Kathy Sierra's famous article, "Trouble at the Kool-Aid Point," illustrates failure modes well:http://seriouspony.com/trouble-at-the-koolaid-point/ …

        1 reply 144 retweets 875 likes
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      21. Yonatan Zunger  🔥‏ @yonatanzunger 1 Oct 2017

        As Ian Gent's explanation of the Petrie Multiplier explains why simple blocking doesn't solve it: http://blog.ian.gent/2013/10/the-petrie-multiplier-why-attack-on.html …

        4 replies 118 retweets 698 likes
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      22. Yonatan Zunger  🔥‏ @yonatanzunger 1 Oct 2017

        The key result: Because speech can be used to suppress other speech, the speech maximum is *not* the zero-regulation point.

        2 replies 266 retweets 839 likes
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      23. Yonatan Zunger  🔥‏ @yonatanzunger 1 Oct 2017

        The zero-regulation point, "everyone can speak and can also block," means that someone targeted for mass harassment pays a much higher cost.

        6 replies 201 retweets 759 likes
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      24. Yonatan Zunger  🔥‏ @yonatanzunger 1 Oct 2017

        And differential costs for speech, especially when correlated with existing social differentials, mean you get nonuniform speech output.

        2 replies 64 retweets 458 likes
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      25. Yonatan Zunger  🔥‏ @yonatanzunger 1 Oct 2017

        See also my response to @DavidBrin about the differential costs of "real name" policies:https://plus.google.com/+YonatanZunger/posts/WegYVNkZQqq …

        5 replies 56 retweets 411 likes
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      26. Yonatan Zunger  🔥‏ @yonatanzunger 1 Oct 2017

        What the research shows (cf @maeveyd's detailed results here: http://www.pewinternet.org/2014/10/22/online-harassment/ …) is that harassment reduces engagement.

        2 replies 87 retweets 483 likes
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      27. Yonatan Zunger  🔥‏ @yonatanzunger 1 Oct 2017

        And importantly, harassment breaks into "severe" and "mild" flavors, which are not uniformly distributed.

        1 reply 43 retweets 342 likes
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      28. Yonatan Zunger  🔥‏ @yonatanzunger 1 Oct 2017

        For example, while men and women experience ~ the same amount of total harassment, women experience ~2x the amount of severe harassment.

        5 replies 176 retweets 692 likes
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      29. Yonatan Zunger  🔥‏ @yonatanzunger 1 Oct 2017

        This is a key thing you need to understand when walking into a policy discussion.

        1 reply 34 retweets 349 likes
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      30. Yonatan Zunger  🔥‏ @yonatanzunger 1 Oct 2017

        This also ties policy to business goals: maximizing speech is related to maximizing engagement.

        1 reply 40 retweets 342 likes
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      31. Yonatan Zunger  🔥‏ @yonatanzunger 1 Oct 2017

        Doing this wrong will differentially reduce engagement by women, minorities, etc., which fundamentally narrows your advertising base.

        3 replies 73 retweets 497 likes
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