ask this: is it morally worse to kneel on a black person’s neck and kill them, than a white person’s neck? people who answer “yes” (as BLM supporters imply) are *going out of their way* to degrade white people i want to solve the problem, not indulge bigots
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Replying to @averykimball @ccopprell
i think you're misunderstanding what BLM is about, it's not saying that police violence against black people is morally worse than police violence against other groups it's just people identifying a problem (police violence against black people) and seeking improvement
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I think they are systematically underestimating, either in good faith or bad, the extent to which police abuse and terrorize non-blacks as well.
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but it's an advocacy movement primarily oriented around police violence against black people; thinking that it should comport with some cross-racial or nonracial conception of police violence is just a conceptual mistake & misunderstanding
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I think the question is: should it be, and does it present itself honestly? Strategically, I think it makes more sense to focus on police conduct and accountability.
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Secondly, morally, I think it is more honest to note that police violence is widespread and cross sectional. Media have made incidents of brutality against black people more noteworthy. This might not be BLM's fault directly, but they have benefited from it.
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While I think that’s fair, I don’t think that it takes away from the greater goal of ending police brutality/etc... It just doesn’t seem like a competition to me, something worth anything but my support. It’s normal IMO for advocacy groups to focus on their own communities
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i’m the one trying to make t not a competition, but BLM frames *everything* as a dichotomous problem- it’s literally in the name
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That’s the part I don’t understand. A group is advocating for safety and dignity for its community, I don’t see how thats divisive or exclusive. I can’t picture that advocacy as coming at the expense of anyone else
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It's the deliberate or implied understatement of how much the problem is effecting everyone else that is the problem.
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I think, to be fair to BLM, I don't have an idea to what extent everyone in the movement believes all of this stuff. It maybe that many participants would happily jump on a broader movement if one was available, or are genuinely unaware of the extent of the problem elsewhere.
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Replying to @xstntlprvrt69 @ccopprell and
A lot of this seems to be a media problem where black deaths at the hands of the police are treated as more noteworthy. Again, BLM isn't directly responsible for that but is happy to reap the rewards.
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Replying to @xstntlprvrt69 @ccopprell and
Actually, this is less of a problem in my country where the black minority is much smaller and less historically embedded. It seems like I read much more diverse (and presumably representative?) reports of deaths by police in Canadian media.
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